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1 00:00:32,700 --> 00:00:33,690 Hey everybody. 2 00:00:33,780 --> 00:00:34,290 How are you? 3 00:00:35,220 --> 00:00:36,390 I am in my house. 4 00:00:36,390 --> 00:00:36,540 You will. 5 00:00:37,200 --> 00:00:39,660 You will hear anything and everything. 6 00:00:39,720 --> 00:00:40,530 I promise. 7 00:00:41,070 --> 00:00:43,440 It's going to be an exciting podcast today. 8 00:00:43,470 --> 00:00:44,700 I've been down on my back. 9 00:00:44,768 --> 00:00:47,771 Appreciate all the prayers and the prayers that I'm still going to get. 10 00:00:47,771 --> 00:00:49,615 Hey Chris, what are we talking about today? 11 00:00:49,615 --> 00:00:53,125 Chris: Hey, Dave, And I want to reiterate that Dave is down in his back. 12 00:00:53,125 --> 00:00:53,215 So. 13 00:00:53,245 --> 00:00:55,255 He can really use the prayers today. 14 00:00:55,255 --> 00:00:58,645 We're talking about traits of awesome Christian leaders. 15 00:00:58,915 --> 00:01:03,715 Dave Wayne, have you guys ever worked with or close to an awesome Christian leader? 16 00:01:05,005 --> 00:01:05,785 Wayne: Absolutely. 17 00:01:07,165 --> 00:01:07,615 Dave: Yes. 18 00:01:08,635 --> 00:01:11,245 Chris: It's a wonderful thing and you can really learn a lot from them. 19 00:01:11,665 --> 00:01:14,275 So we've got eight traits that we want to go over. 20 00:01:14,545 --> 00:01:17,365 These are the things that awesome Christian leaders share. 21 00:01:17,365 --> 00:01:20,905 And if you want to be an awesome Christian leader, these are things you can work on. 22 00:01:21,985 --> 00:01:22,225 Wayne: Yeah. 23 00:01:22,555 --> 00:01:23,845 Chris: sounds pretty simple. 24 00:01:24,355 --> 00:01:27,835 Everyone must be treated with dignity and respect. 25 00:01:28,105 --> 00:01:29,455 You guys agree or disagree? 26 00:01:30,355 --> 00:01:30,745 Dave: I agree. 27 00:01:30,745 --> 00:01:31,525 Wayne: A hundred percent. 28 00:01:31,675 --> 00:01:32,125 Yeah. 29 00:01:32,365 --> 00:01:37,268 I think though you say that in sometimes that's easier said than done. 30 00:01:37,268 --> 00:01:37,489 Chris: It can 31 00:01:37,579 --> 00:01:41,479 Wayne: Cause sometimes in leadership, you may not agree with someone. 32 00:01:41,839 --> 00:01:43,309 That doesn't mean they're wrong. 33 00:01:43,549 --> 00:01:48,319 It means you need to try to figure it out and respect what they're saying to you. 34 00:01:48,559 --> 00:01:48,889 If you. 35 00:01:48,889 --> 00:01:51,109 don't respect what they're saying to you, you're toast. 36 00:01:51,439 --> 00:01:52,399 Chris: You're exactly right. 37 00:01:52,759 --> 00:01:54,379 And there's a deeper level to this tube. 38 00:01:54,409 --> 00:01:57,049 I've worked with someone I've worked with a lot of people like 39 00:01:57,049 --> 00:01:58,459 this, but I've worked with someone. 40 00:01:59,479 --> 00:02:02,179 At times was so morally corrupt. 41 00:02:02,209 --> 00:02:04,999 It was just difficult to respect that person. 42 00:02:05,539 --> 00:02:08,969 They were Seems like doing all the wrong things intentionally. 43 00:02:09,689 --> 00:02:10,109 Wayne: Oh, yeah. 44 00:02:10,109 --> 00:02:10,259 Dave: it 45 00:02:10,289 --> 00:02:12,059 Chris: can be difficult to respect them. 46 00:02:12,089 --> 00:02:12,479 at Wayne. 47 00:02:12,479 --> 00:02:13,889 Have you ever worked with anyone like that? 48 00:02:14,129 --> 00:02:14,369 Dave: Sure. 49 00:02:15,809 --> 00:02:16,949 Chris: And go ahead. 50 00:02:18,059 --> 00:02:18,869 Wayne: I'll be honest. 51 00:02:18,869 --> 00:02:19,289 Chris. 52 00:02:19,319 --> 00:02:19,889 I am. 53 00:02:20,369 --> 00:02:25,371 One of the things that for me, I I left the church because of core leadership. 54 00:02:25,791 --> 00:02:29,331 And I started at church because I wanted to find great leadership at that. 55 00:02:29,331 --> 00:02:29,751 Makes sense. 56 00:02:30,291 --> 00:02:30,771 Chris: Yeah, 57 00:02:30,771 --> 00:02:32,231 Wayne: But that's hard. 58 00:02:32,261 --> 00:02:34,484 And some people say you should have just, don't reinvent 59 00:02:34,484 --> 00:02:35,474 the wheel, but you know what? 60 00:02:35,474 --> 00:02:37,380 Sometimes we need a fresh. 61 00:02:37,396 --> 00:02:40,636 Look at things and bringing in people that are like-minded. 62 00:02:40,667 --> 00:02:46,217 Not just to agree with you, but that your vision is equal to the task. 63 00:02:46,307 --> 00:02:47,027 Does that make sense? 64 00:02:47,477 --> 00:02:48,137 Chris: It does. 65 00:02:48,527 --> 00:02:52,575 And, I was looking at first Peter two 17, it says honor, all people. 66 00:02:52,785 --> 00:02:53,985 Love the brotherhood. 67 00:02:54,195 --> 00:02:56,055 fear, God, and honor the king. 68 00:02:56,085 --> 00:02:58,245 So how do we honor all people? 69 00:02:58,515 --> 00:03:02,505 If we just believe some people aren't worthy if there's So morally corrupt. 70 00:03:02,505 --> 00:03:03,315 in Such a bad 71 00:03:03,315 --> 00:03:05,445 or evil person, how do we honor those people? 72 00:03:06,525 --> 00:03:09,195 Wayne: Paul says in Philippians two, three, do nothing. 73 00:03:09,262 --> 00:03:11,917 From rivalry or conceit, but in humility. 74 00:03:11,917 --> 00:03:15,277 And that's a key word, but in humility, Count others more 75 00:03:15,277 --> 00:03:17,677 significant than you yourself. 76 00:03:17,733 --> 00:03:23,214 It's looking at someone and saying, God can use them just like God can use me. 77 00:03:23,514 --> 00:03:26,824 And when, even if, in Philippians that talks about people that were 78 00:03:26,824 --> 00:03:28,085 preaching for the wrong reason. 79 00:03:28,865 --> 00:03:30,965 And yet God still says. 80 00:03:32,255 --> 00:03:33,665 Listen to what they're doing. 81 00:03:34,085 --> 00:03:37,055 And know that you're in the right, just trust what God's 82 00:03:37,055 --> 00:03:38,555 given you leadership wise. 83 00:03:38,795 --> 00:03:42,455 And if it's not maxed up, eventually got to get you back on track. 84 00:03:42,635 --> 00:03:43,235 Chris: Amen. 85 00:03:43,505 --> 00:03:43,775 Wayne. 86 00:03:43,775 --> 00:03:47,555 What's your secret for respecting someone that at a core level? 87 00:03:47,555 --> 00:03:49,455 you feel is just not worthy of respect. 88 00:03:49,479 --> 00:03:52,209 Dave: King David was the perfect example of this. 89 00:03:52,239 --> 00:03:52,839 Chris: Oh, good one. 90 00:03:52,839 --> 00:03:53,259 Yes. 91 00:03:54,609 --> 00:03:56,799 Dave: Because he had every reason. 92 00:03:57,159 --> 00:04:01,089 to go after saw and had at least two opportunities to kill him. 93 00:04:01,089 --> 00:04:01,719 Chris: He sure did. 94 00:04:02,199 --> 00:04:02,679 And. 95 00:04:03,729 --> 00:04:03,939 He 96 00:04:04,329 --> 00:04:05,979 Dave: because God anointed him. 97 00:04:06,459 --> 00:04:07,899 To be the king over Israel. 98 00:04:08,019 --> 00:04:08,589 Chris: Amen. 99 00:04:08,619 --> 00:04:10,899 Dave: So his focus was in the right place. 100 00:04:11,469 --> 00:04:11,919 Chris: Some of our 101 00:04:11,919 --> 00:04:14,019 Dave: focus is in the right place, we'll be able to. 102 00:04:15,069 --> 00:04:15,999 Act accordingly. 103 00:04:16,149 --> 00:04:18,219 if not it's a problem. 104 00:04:19,059 --> 00:04:19,839 Wayne: I agree. 105 00:04:19,943 --> 00:04:23,573 It's it's in humility where we find a. 106 00:04:23,611 --> 00:04:27,569 Jesus, in those moments where we humble ourselves and realize that, nothing. 107 00:04:27,569 --> 00:04:28,649 God is everything. 108 00:04:28,829 --> 00:04:31,169 And because God is everything, he makes me something. 109 00:04:31,349 --> 00:04:32,219 Chris: Oh, that's beautiful. 110 00:04:32,219 --> 00:04:32,639 Yeah. 111 00:04:33,029 --> 00:04:33,809 Dave: It's also helpful. 112 00:04:33,809 --> 00:04:36,119 to remember that we are no better. 113 00:04:36,449 --> 00:04:37,949 We were at one point no better. 114 00:04:38,339 --> 00:04:39,149 Chris: That's so true. 115 00:04:39,179 --> 00:04:39,869 Dave: anybody else. 116 00:04:39,929 --> 00:04:40,949 Chris: That's so true. 117 00:04:41,369 --> 00:04:41,579 Can 118 00:04:41,669 --> 00:04:42,389 Wayne: all a mess. 119 00:04:42,479 --> 00:04:42,899 Dave: Yeah. 120 00:04:43,079 --> 00:04:45,419 Chris: Can we all agree that at, even at a most. 121 00:04:45,419 --> 00:04:46,739 basic level, 122 00:04:47,279 --> 00:04:49,259 We can dignify and respect people. 123 00:04:49,259 --> 00:04:51,089 by recognizing their value. 124 00:04:51,629 --> 00:04:53,309 As human beings created. 125 00:04:53,309 --> 00:04:54,449 in the image of God. 126 00:04:55,619 --> 00:04:56,669 Wayne: Oh, that's great, Chris. 127 00:04:56,789 --> 00:04:57,239 Yeah. 128 00:04:57,359 --> 00:04:59,099 I, 100% agree with that. 129 00:05:00,389 --> 00:05:01,019 Chris: So Sometimes 130 00:05:01,049 --> 00:05:01,589 Wayne: about you? 131 00:05:01,979 --> 00:05:03,209 Chris: but we got to keep that in mind. 132 00:05:03,209 --> 00:05:04,019 What do you think lane? 133 00:05:04,529 --> 00:05:05,279 Wayne: Yeah, there you go. 134 00:05:05,339 --> 00:05:05,909 Dave: completely. 135 00:05:06,389 --> 00:05:07,469 That's completely accurate. 136 00:05:08,399 --> 00:05:09,599 Chris: So that's number one. 137 00:05:09,599 --> 00:05:11,712 I think we got a little bit of a deep conversation on that. 138 00:05:12,212 --> 00:05:13,202 Wayne: You guys. 139 00:05:14,162 --> 00:05:15,572 It's going to be a long one. 140 00:05:15,602 --> 00:05:16,292 I'm excited 141 00:05:16,322 --> 00:05:16,982 Chris: I am too. 142 00:05:17,402 --> 00:05:18,182 The second one. 143 00:05:18,212 --> 00:05:18,482 Wayne: this. 144 00:05:19,142 --> 00:05:19,322 Chris: ahead. 145 00:05:20,402 --> 00:05:20,972 What's that Dave. 146 00:05:21,722 --> 00:05:23,222 Wayne: Oh, I was just say, just stick with us. 147 00:05:23,402 --> 00:05:27,277 And then also we're doing this via zoom and I just saw Wayne's hands. 148 00:05:27,277 --> 00:05:28,777 Just jump in there way better. 149 00:05:29,407 --> 00:05:31,267 Chris: No, that was thing from the Adams family. 150 00:05:31,267 --> 00:05:31,957 He's here in the 151 00:05:31,987 --> 00:05:32,317 Wayne: Yeah. 152 00:05:32,437 --> 00:05:32,917 Chris: with us. 153 00:05:32,917 --> 00:05:33,187 Yeah. 154 00:05:33,937 --> 00:05:34,267 Wayne: Yeah. 155 00:05:34,364 --> 00:05:36,914 Yeah, no, this medicine that they've been given me. 156 00:05:36,944 --> 00:05:38,924 He might be messing with me more than I thought. 157 00:05:40,124 --> 00:05:41,384 Chris: Oh, gosh. 158 00:05:41,744 --> 00:05:43,004 Wayne: We're going to have fun today. 159 00:05:43,034 --> 00:05:43,634 KIBO. 160 00:05:43,784 --> 00:05:44,504 I got you. 161 00:05:44,534 --> 00:05:48,614 Chris: So the second trait of awesome Christian leaders. 162 00:05:49,214 --> 00:05:51,644 Is an easy one High moral standards. 163 00:05:51,644 --> 00:05:55,214 First Corinthians 1533 says, do not be deceived. 164 00:05:55,514 --> 00:05:57,104 Bad company ruins. 165 00:05:57,134 --> 00:05:58,154 Good morals. 166 00:05:58,724 --> 00:06:00,314 Wayne: That's a great scripture. 167 00:06:00,644 --> 00:06:05,414 And it's a scripture that we run from, or we sometimes use it as an excuse. 168 00:06:05,475 --> 00:06:07,408 Either way we gotta be careful. 169 00:06:07,678 --> 00:06:08,848 We need to realize. 170 00:06:09,628 --> 00:06:10,318 You know is 171 00:06:10,846 --> 00:06:13,408 I guess the leadership word is someone toxic. 172 00:06:13,468 --> 00:06:15,783 And if they're toxic, you can't be around that. 173 00:06:15,783 --> 00:06:20,027 I agree, but that's harder than it sounds to not be around that 174 00:06:20,027 --> 00:06:21,887 when they're right in your face. 175 00:06:22,457 --> 00:06:25,890 And in leadership or because where you work. 176 00:06:25,955 --> 00:06:26,945 That's a problem. 177 00:06:26,975 --> 00:06:29,465 And I think Chris, you probably dealt with that more than I 178 00:06:29,465 --> 00:06:30,755 have because in seriously. 179 00:06:31,415 --> 00:06:35,281 Leadership, you can pick and choose a little bit more, but when you hire people, 180 00:06:35,781 --> 00:06:38,451 You got to find people that are like-minded on the same page. 181 00:06:38,481 --> 00:06:39,231 That makes sense. 182 00:06:39,321 --> 00:06:39,681 Chris: does. 183 00:06:39,681 --> 00:06:40,791 It's absolutely true. 184 00:06:41,751 --> 00:06:42,861 So number three. 185 00:06:44,301 --> 00:06:45,921 An awesome Christian leader. 186 00:06:45,981 --> 00:06:50,061 Every day has positive attitudes, positive behaviors. 187 00:06:50,301 --> 00:06:51,711 and positive interactions. 188 00:06:51,741 --> 00:06:52,971 Every single day. 189 00:06:53,001 --> 00:06:53,991 We agree with that. 190 00:06:55,131 --> 00:06:56,001 Wayne: A hundred percent. 191 00:06:56,191 --> 00:06:56,341 Chris: Yeah. 192 00:06:57,211 --> 00:06:57,541 One of 193 00:06:57,631 --> 00:06:57,991 Wayne: Well, 194 00:06:57,991 --> 00:06:58,741 Chris: is hope. 195 00:06:58,776 --> 00:07:02,624 Proverbs 1722 tells us a joyful heart is Good medicine, but 196 00:07:02,624 --> 00:07:04,694 crushed spirit dries up the bones. 197 00:07:05,084 --> 00:07:08,384 So if we've got a joyful heart, we can be good medicine to ourselves. 198 00:07:08,384 --> 00:07:09,324 And those around us. 199 00:07:09,824 --> 00:07:10,784 Wayne: You're good at that. 200 00:07:10,814 --> 00:07:11,684 You check on me. 201 00:07:11,815 --> 00:07:15,775 During the season that I've had you, you make sure I'm doing all right. 202 00:07:15,865 --> 00:07:16,285 I think. 203 00:07:16,735 --> 00:07:18,398 That's I love Barnabas. 204 00:07:18,458 --> 00:07:22,231 And even when he and Paul had issues, they came back and were 205 00:07:22,261 --> 00:07:23,731 able to agree because I think. 206 00:07:23,971 --> 00:07:28,741 I don't have his spirit was just open to whatever God wanted. 207 00:07:28,771 --> 00:07:29,191 And I think. 208 00:07:29,611 --> 00:07:30,601 The biggest thing was him. 209 00:07:30,601 --> 00:07:33,691 He's known as an encourager and that's building other people up. 210 00:07:33,931 --> 00:07:35,281 Not building yourself thought. 211 00:07:35,371 --> 00:07:38,101 I think sometimes we want to advance more. 212 00:07:38,491 --> 00:07:42,768 I want to to grow people and have a successful team. 213 00:07:42,768 --> 00:07:44,490 Chris: Absolutely and I just want to clarify. 214 00:07:44,490 --> 00:07:47,010 you said Barnabas and not Barabis right. 215 00:07:47,513 --> 00:07:49,133 Wayne: I'm telling you this medicine. 216 00:07:49,943 --> 00:07:53,573 Yeah, I did say Barnabas and hymns the Greek. 217 00:07:53,573 --> 00:07:54,053 It means sun. 218 00:07:54,083 --> 00:07:55,463 Son of encouragement. 219 00:07:56,463 --> 00:07:57,632 Not anything else. 220 00:07:57,662 --> 00:07:58,992 Just son of encouragement. 221 00:07:59,492 --> 00:08:01,592 Chris: So I thought of one other positive attitude. 222 00:08:01,592 --> 00:08:02,991 and behavior that an Awesome. 223 00:08:02,991 --> 00:08:04,311 Christian leader has to have. 224 00:08:04,311 --> 00:08:05,301 And that's faith. 225 00:08:05,871 --> 00:08:06,291 And I was 226 00:08:06,291 --> 00:08:10,851 thinking about this and I found Joshua one nine that says, have I not commanded you? 227 00:08:11,121 --> 00:08:13,941 Be strong and courageous do not be frightened. 228 00:08:13,941 --> 00:08:14,121 And. 229 00:08:14,121 --> 00:08:15,351 Do not be dismayed. 230 00:08:15,351 --> 00:08:16,431 For the Lord, your God. 231 00:08:16,431 --> 00:08:18,291 is with you wherever you go. 232 00:08:19,671 --> 00:08:20,031 Wayne: I man. 233 00:08:20,061 --> 00:08:23,211 And then it goes back to your second point to integrity. 234 00:08:23,961 --> 00:08:28,791 Only grows your faith when you're doing the right things, your faith will grow 235 00:08:28,791 --> 00:08:30,891 when you're not in someone's they won't. 236 00:08:30,951 --> 00:08:32,541 Where do I find the right things? 237 00:08:32,781 --> 00:08:33,531 The word of God. 238 00:08:34,011 --> 00:08:34,990 That's simple. 239 00:08:34,990 --> 00:08:38,732 We as laters have one of the greatest leadership. 240 00:08:38,829 --> 00:08:43,269 Examples that we can have in the word of God, we just got to, we. 241 00:08:43,299 --> 00:08:47,169 You just got to examine it and look at leaders like me and Maya and how he was 242 00:08:47,169 --> 00:08:48,909 able to build the things that he built. 243 00:08:48,995 --> 00:08:49,325 Chris: Good. 244 00:08:49,355 --> 00:08:50,205 Good example. 245 00:08:50,236 --> 00:08:51,886 Wayne, I want to call you out on this one. 246 00:08:51,886 --> 00:08:53,716 I have seen you many times. 247 00:08:53,716 --> 00:08:54,496 demonstrate. 248 00:08:54,946 --> 00:08:55,846 Great faith. 249 00:08:55,846 --> 00:08:57,376 So what's your secret for that? 250 00:08:58,636 --> 00:09:00,166 Dave: Oh, that's not really a secret. 251 00:09:00,586 --> 00:09:02,416 You've done as many stupid things. 252 00:09:02,416 --> 00:09:02,686 as I 253 00:09:02,806 --> 00:09:03,146 Chris: Oh, my. 254 00:09:03,646 --> 00:09:07,906 Dave: And you don't have any choice, but to live in that, to get 255 00:09:08,056 --> 00:09:09,616 Wayne: I don't want to hear that. 256 00:09:09,886 --> 00:09:12,286 He is one of the most encouraging faithful. 257 00:09:12,376 --> 00:09:12,916 Feuds 258 00:09:12,946 --> 00:09:13,666 Chris: really is. 259 00:09:14,146 --> 00:09:16,546 Wayne: And I don't know what I do with album. 260 00:09:16,576 --> 00:09:20,326 I'm very grateful for Wayne and the way that he ministers people. 261 00:09:20,666 --> 00:09:22,909 Just by listening to what they're going through. 262 00:09:22,969 --> 00:09:23,989 He hears things. 263 00:09:24,379 --> 00:09:27,319 And you don't realize he hears them at the time, but then he asked you 264 00:09:27,319 --> 00:09:28,969 about it later and he really does hear 265 00:09:28,979 --> 00:09:30,702 Chris: And one of my favorite things about him. 266 00:09:30,729 --> 00:09:35,469 Is he sees things From a completely different perspective than I see things. 267 00:09:35,739 --> 00:09:38,589 And he comes up with things that are so genius. 268 00:09:38,889 --> 00:09:39,759 So. 269 00:09:40,239 --> 00:09:43,929 Wonderfully encouraging and Just perfectly on the spot that 270 00:09:43,929 --> 00:09:45,249 I could never come up with. 271 00:09:45,279 --> 00:09:48,909 And I think he's not only highly intelligent, and highly educated. 272 00:09:48,909 --> 00:09:51,399 but I think he's just a wonderful person and he knows. 273 00:09:51,399 --> 00:09:52,869 the word of God inside and 274 00:09:52,869 --> 00:09:53,169 out. 275 00:09:53,949 --> 00:09:54,549 Wayne: I agree. 276 00:09:55,239 --> 00:09:57,219 And he loves to examine the word guy. 277 00:09:57,339 --> 00:09:57,669 Chris: does. 278 00:09:57,669 --> 00:09:58,099 Yes. 279 00:09:58,599 --> 00:10:00,099 Wayne: I don't know if examines the right word. 280 00:10:00,159 --> 00:10:01,119 He loves to read it. 281 00:10:01,977 --> 00:10:02,277 Dave: No. 282 00:10:02,577 --> 00:10:03,370 no blessing. 283 00:10:03,370 --> 00:10:03,510 Chris: I 284 00:10:03,510 --> 00:10:05,430 remember once and I wasn't going to share this but I'm 285 00:10:05,430 --> 00:10:06,630 going to, We were in a church. 286 00:10:06,660 --> 00:10:07,020 meeting. 287 00:10:07,106 --> 00:10:08,036 It was after. 288 00:10:08,036 --> 00:10:09,522 And we were talking about. 289 00:10:09,591 --> 00:10:10,521 We were having. 290 00:10:11,151 --> 00:10:13,971 We were going to have a series of marriage counseling events. 291 00:10:14,361 --> 00:10:16,491 And it seemed like the men were on one side. 292 00:10:16,491 --> 00:10:18,081 And then women were on the other side. 293 00:10:18,081 --> 00:10:19,879 and the men were saying women do this. 294 00:10:19,879 --> 00:10:22,494 And Then women were saying the men always do this. 295 00:10:22,884 --> 00:10:24,114 And just out of the blue. 296 00:10:24,174 --> 00:10:27,294 Wayne county came up with And he said, we always look at what the other 297 00:10:27,294 --> 00:10:30,504 person's doing, but what we don't see is Sometimes they may just be. 298 00:10:30,504 --> 00:10:31,644 barely hanging on. 299 00:10:32,154 --> 00:10:33,204 And I thought, wow. 300 00:10:33,234 --> 00:10:34,224 that is so deep. 301 00:10:34,254 --> 00:10:35,604 I bet you don't even remember that, dude. 302 00:10:36,054 --> 00:10:38,787 Dave: I don't, but I'm usually the one barely hanging on. 303 00:10:39,287 --> 00:10:39,917 Chris: That's something I 304 00:10:40,037 --> 00:10:42,617 Wayne: I'm glad to you are going to say I'm usually the one that's deep. 305 00:10:43,617 --> 00:10:43,887 Chris: No. 306 00:10:44,007 --> 00:10:44,817 Dave: barely hanging on. 307 00:10:45,837 --> 00:10:46,017 Chris: So 308 00:10:46,077 --> 00:10:46,737 Wayne: There you go. 309 00:10:46,767 --> 00:10:50,427 Chris: talk about another trait and this one is a very difficult one. 310 00:10:51,417 --> 00:10:52,677 For almost everyone. 311 00:10:53,007 --> 00:10:55,287 And It's take a stand for what is right. 312 00:10:55,467 --> 00:10:57,267 Not what is convenient. 313 00:10:57,267 --> 00:10:58,107 And I've got a story. 314 00:10:58,107 --> 00:10:59,847 to tell about this, But I want to hear from. 315 00:10:59,847 --> 00:11:00,297 Wayne. 316 00:11:00,297 --> 00:11:01,797 and Dave, What do you think about that? 317 00:11:01,827 --> 00:11:03,147 Take a stand for what's right. 318 00:11:03,177 --> 00:11:04,437 Not what's convenient. 319 00:11:05,787 --> 00:11:06,237 Wayne: Oh, yeah. 320 00:11:06,237 --> 00:11:06,687 And I think. 321 00:11:07,527 --> 00:11:09,477 In our society that we live in right now. 322 00:11:09,507 --> 00:11:11,123 Jeff preaches every week. 323 00:11:11,155 --> 00:11:13,091 There are so many sin things. 324 00:11:13,271 --> 00:11:14,651 They want us to accept. 325 00:11:14,689 --> 00:11:19,251 In the world and whether it's government, whether it is going to have them, we 326 00:11:19,251 --> 00:11:23,721 should know that because that's ultimately what the devil's goal has been the 327 00:11:23,721 --> 00:11:26,731 whole time is to get as many people. 328 00:11:26,731 --> 00:11:28,480 Away from God that he can. 329 00:11:28,840 --> 00:11:32,830 And so we need to work with everything we have to be. 330 00:11:33,160 --> 00:11:36,490 People who not only believe the word, but trust the word. 331 00:11:36,640 --> 00:11:37,240 Chris: Amen. 332 00:11:37,750 --> 00:11:37,990 Lilian. 333 00:11:37,990 --> 00:11:38,650 What do you think. 334 00:11:38,800 --> 00:11:41,500 Dave: I think the key part of being able to do that. 335 00:11:41,890 --> 00:11:42,580 Is just. 336 00:11:43,780 --> 00:11:46,090 An anointing from the holy spirit. 337 00:11:46,270 --> 00:11:48,490 to give you some wisdom and discernment. 338 00:11:49,150 --> 00:11:50,500 To know what. 339 00:11:50,770 --> 00:11:52,720 Actions and what speech. 340 00:11:53,560 --> 00:11:55,540 To use and to do. 341 00:11:56,710 --> 00:11:58,210 Chris: The see you're proving my point right there. 342 00:11:58,210 --> 00:11:58,990 You're coming up with. 343 00:11:58,990 --> 00:11:59,830 something so deep. 344 00:11:59,830 --> 00:12:00,610 I would never get 345 00:12:00,662 --> 00:12:01,046 Dave: What. 346 00:12:01,073 --> 00:12:02,591 Because not every issue. 347 00:12:03,671 --> 00:12:05,381 Requires like an aggressive. 348 00:12:05,411 --> 00:12:06,401 response. 349 00:12:06,521 --> 00:12:07,601 Some issues. 350 00:12:08,621 --> 00:12:10,241 Abstaining from something. 351 00:12:10,781 --> 00:12:12,551 Is just as important. 352 00:12:12,581 --> 00:12:17,021 as telling somebody that it's, whatever they're doing is wrong. 353 00:12:17,021 --> 00:12:18,101 For whatever reason. 354 00:12:19,211 --> 00:12:19,851 Wayne: I see that. 355 00:12:19,851 --> 00:12:21,130 Chris: Let me share this with you. 356 00:12:21,130 --> 00:12:22,480 And My heart goes out. 357 00:12:22,480 --> 00:12:24,460 to this person and they're Maybe. 358 00:12:24,520 --> 00:12:26,080 Either of you two have been through this. 359 00:12:26,080 --> 00:12:28,630 Maybe the people listening have been through this, but I recently 360 00:12:28,630 --> 00:12:30,190 spoke with someone who told me. 361 00:12:30,760 --> 00:12:32,737 His greatest struggle with faith. 362 00:12:33,237 --> 00:12:34,497 there's no shame in this. 363 00:12:34,707 --> 00:12:39,057 It's being afraid To address their position on hot button issues. 364 00:12:39,237 --> 00:12:40,707 for fear of backlash. 365 00:12:41,337 --> 00:12:44,637 And the bad thing was, I didn't even have to ask them why. 366 00:12:44,637 --> 00:12:47,697 or What the issue was because I know how difficult it is. 367 00:12:47,697 --> 00:12:50,067 And I know how difficult it is to be persecuted. 368 00:12:50,637 --> 00:12:50,787 I 369 00:12:50,787 --> 00:12:51,567 understand how. 370 00:12:51,567 --> 00:12:53,577 unjust it is to be overlooked and. 371 00:12:53,967 --> 00:12:56,367 it can be an overwhelming response. 372 00:12:56,787 --> 00:12:58,532 And, I've got to say this, the adversary. 373 00:12:58,562 --> 00:13:01,680 appears in the keywords appears to be stronger. 374 00:13:01,980 --> 00:13:03,060 And it makes it look like. 375 00:13:03,060 --> 00:13:04,620 there's such a high cost for this. 376 00:13:05,280 --> 00:13:05,880 Wayne: That's good. 377 00:13:06,180 --> 00:13:07,290 That's really good. 378 00:13:07,770 --> 00:13:11,730 I think we have to work really hard on it's. 379 00:13:11,730 --> 00:13:12,330 Okay. 380 00:13:12,330 --> 00:13:15,376 Not to be the most popular or the best. 381 00:13:15,376 --> 00:13:17,234 Thinker the best leader. 382 00:13:17,246 --> 00:13:19,682 We have to do is be the best Christian when we're. 383 00:13:20,522 --> 00:13:21,422 The best Christian. 384 00:13:21,842 --> 00:13:23,762 That's the only thing that matters, Chris. 385 00:13:24,152 --> 00:13:25,915 And when we're following Jesus. 386 00:13:26,755 --> 00:13:29,095 It's hard because I don't know about you all, but I like when 387 00:13:29,125 --> 00:13:31,255 people like me, I think it's fun. 388 00:13:31,495 --> 00:13:32,785 I want a pat on the back. 389 00:13:32,815 --> 00:13:36,145 I love that of boys, but that can't be what I live for. 390 00:13:36,205 --> 00:13:41,335 What I live for is ultimately someday I'm going to stand before God, the father. 391 00:13:41,665 --> 00:13:42,025 And. 392 00:13:42,985 --> 00:13:46,045 I've got to make sure that I know that I live in it here. 393 00:13:46,045 --> 00:13:48,055 So when I stand before him there. 394 00:13:48,295 --> 00:13:53,035 That Jesus says this one's with me and I'm going to Gail to the mountain. 395 00:13:53,155 --> 00:13:54,805 I'm with that guy right there. 396 00:13:54,805 --> 00:13:57,625 I'm up on Jesus and I am. 397 00:13:57,805 --> 00:13:59,125 And all God's people say. 398 00:13:59,155 --> 00:13:59,965 Dave: Hey man. 399 00:14:00,775 --> 00:14:01,405 Wayne: There it is. 400 00:14:02,185 --> 00:14:02,905 Chris: There we go. 401 00:14:04,195 --> 00:14:06,265 Wayne: I wonder where they were as good. 402 00:14:06,265 --> 00:14:07,885 Chris: were a little late, so I've got 403 00:14:07,945 --> 00:14:08,155 Wayne: Yes. 404 00:14:08,275 --> 00:14:09,025 Chris: verses here. 405 00:14:09,025 --> 00:14:10,495 and I'm just going to say the verse number. 406 00:14:10,495 --> 00:14:13,465 And If you're listening, you can look these up, but We have a duty. 407 00:14:13,465 --> 00:14:14,065 In Christ. 408 00:14:14,065 --> 00:14:14,845 To be strong. 409 00:14:14,875 --> 00:14:16,465 That's Ephesians six, 10. 410 00:14:16,855 --> 00:14:18,295 We have a duty to fight. 411 00:14:18,385 --> 00:14:20,215 that Second Timothy four seven. 412 00:14:20,575 --> 00:14:22,315 We have a duty to separate. 413 00:14:22,675 --> 00:14:26,185 at second Corinthians six 17, and to be courageous. 414 00:14:26,665 --> 00:14:28,015 Joshua one nine. 415 00:14:28,375 --> 00:14:31,225 We have a duty to suffer and that's a tough one first. 416 00:14:31,225 --> 00:14:32,575 Peter three 17. 417 00:14:32,635 --> 00:14:34,765 And we have a duty to be persecuted. 418 00:14:34,885 --> 00:14:37,315 and hated John 1518. 419 00:14:38,005 --> 00:14:39,535 We all have a duty to stand for. 420 00:14:39,535 --> 00:14:40,225 What's right. 421 00:14:40,255 --> 00:14:41,545 And Spread the gospel. 422 00:14:41,845 --> 00:14:43,105 That's mark 16. 423 00:14:43,105 --> 00:14:47,155 15, And I know the adversaries are loud and they seem great and number. 424 00:14:47,425 --> 00:14:50,875 and I know they won't come to reason or they won't even fight a fair fight. 425 00:14:51,115 --> 00:14:53,335 They are boastful and proud of their sin. 426 00:14:53,695 --> 00:14:56,965 Nevertheless Christ is within us and he is greater. 427 00:14:57,145 --> 00:14:58,988 and that's Deuteronomy 10 17. 428 00:14:59,016 --> 00:15:00,235 Wayne: Was that last one you said 429 00:15:00,246 --> 00:15:01,056 Dave: Deuteronomy 10, 430 00:15:01,296 --> 00:15:02,076 Wayne: Don't worry before. 431 00:15:03,486 --> 00:15:05,166 The one right before Deuteronomy. 432 00:15:05,406 --> 00:15:06,546 Chris: 16, 15. 433 00:15:07,896 --> 00:15:09,505 Wayne: And what is the the point of that? 434 00:15:09,505 --> 00:15:10,195 I want to hear it again. 435 00:15:10,435 --> 00:15:13,555 Chris: have a duty to stand for righteousness and spread the gospel. 436 00:15:14,875 --> 00:15:19,045 Wayne: Yeah, that's hard because our society right now is 437 00:15:19,045 --> 00:15:20,575 going against a lot of things. 438 00:15:20,725 --> 00:15:24,267 And I'll push them, we need to stand up against abortion. 439 00:15:24,597 --> 00:15:26,157 We need to loudly. 440 00:15:26,217 --> 00:15:27,027 Proclaim. 441 00:15:27,387 --> 00:15:27,747 That 442 00:15:27,782 --> 00:15:30,479 The couples are our men and women. 443 00:15:30,509 --> 00:15:35,570 And I know that offense, and I know that stresses you out, but I can't be 444 00:15:35,570 --> 00:15:37,520 worried about that because that's not. 445 00:15:38,120 --> 00:15:40,190 Me and you is between you and God. 446 00:15:40,670 --> 00:15:41,570 And so as leader. 447 00:15:41,810 --> 00:15:46,160 I got to realize it's between them not between me and I'm going to do 448 00:15:46,160 --> 00:15:48,380 my best to show them the right way. 449 00:15:48,860 --> 00:15:49,490 God's way. 450 00:15:49,580 --> 00:15:50,390 Chris: That's beautiful. 451 00:15:50,480 --> 00:15:51,140 Amen. 452 00:15:51,218 --> 00:15:53,078 Wayne: I don't know if it's beautiful, but thank you. 453 00:15:53,078 --> 00:15:53,198 Chris: it. 454 00:15:53,198 --> 00:15:53,618 Yeah. 455 00:15:53,858 --> 00:15:54,578 Wayne: I'll take it. 456 00:15:55,058 --> 00:15:58,958 Chris: Moving on to the fifth trait is you have to take a stand for yourself. 457 00:15:59,468 --> 00:16:01,268 And when I was researching this. 458 00:16:01,268 --> 00:16:03,428 I found God gives strength to his people. 459 00:16:03,668 --> 00:16:05,798 He enables him to be courageous through his. 460 00:16:05,798 --> 00:16:10,118 gift of faith, And God proves himself faithful in his promises to enable 461 00:16:10,118 --> 00:16:12,228 his people, to trust him every day. 462 00:16:12,728 --> 00:16:13,238 Wayne: That's good. 463 00:16:13,508 --> 00:16:13,958 It's really? 464 00:16:14,078 --> 00:16:14,318 What do you. 465 00:16:14,588 --> 00:16:14,948 Chris: day? 466 00:16:15,948 --> 00:16:16,518 Let's put it away. 467 00:16:16,518 --> 00:16:18,018 And can you trust God every day? 468 00:16:18,348 --> 00:16:18,888 Dave: Every day. 469 00:16:19,098 --> 00:16:19,908 Chris: Every day. 470 00:16:20,908 --> 00:16:21,298 All right. 471 00:16:21,718 --> 00:16:24,208 Number six is to be truthful and upright. 472 00:16:24,568 --> 00:16:26,548 You have to be faithful to your word. 473 00:16:26,848 --> 00:16:30,958 And a lot of times I find myself listening to Chuck's window and here's what he says. 474 00:16:30,958 --> 00:16:32,698 There is a rare breed of man. 475 00:16:32,698 --> 00:16:34,168 that is almost extinct. 476 00:16:34,588 --> 00:16:36,898 Whether an executive or an apprentice. 477 00:16:37,228 --> 00:16:38,758 A student or a teacher. 478 00:16:39,208 --> 00:16:42,808 a blue collar or a white collar work in a Christian or a pagan. 479 00:16:43,198 --> 00:16:45,688 Rare indeed are those who keep their word. 480 00:16:47,038 --> 00:16:47,578 Wayne: Amen. 481 00:16:48,238 --> 00:16:48,898 That's good. 482 00:16:50,278 --> 00:16:50,758 Chris: The second 483 00:16:50,758 --> 00:16:52,168 Wayne: I think that's it right there. 484 00:16:52,168 --> 00:16:52,678 Chris: It is. 485 00:16:52,678 --> 00:16:53,068 Yeah. 486 00:16:54,068 --> 00:16:54,938 Wayne: swindle scan. 487 00:16:54,938 --> 00:16:57,788 And I liked him and where's the, I go old school too. 488 00:16:57,818 --> 00:16:58,988 So I appreciate that. 489 00:16:59,468 --> 00:17:01,508 Chris: So in numbers, 30. 490 00:17:01,838 --> 00:17:03,818 Verse two, when a man takes. 491 00:17:03,818 --> 00:17:07,688 an oath to obligate himself by a pledge, he must not break his word, 492 00:17:07,688 --> 00:17:09,578 but must do everything he said. 493 00:17:09,608 --> 00:17:10,748 there's no outs on that. 494 00:17:10,748 --> 00:17:13,238 If you take a pledge or an oath, you've got to do it. 495 00:17:14,238 --> 00:17:14,658 Wayne: Agree. 496 00:17:16,128 --> 00:17:16,848 Chris: Here's a good one. 497 00:17:17,178 --> 00:17:18,918 This is still following on being truthful. 498 00:17:18,948 --> 00:17:19,458 enough, Right. 499 00:17:19,818 --> 00:17:20,268 Judge. 500 00:17:20,268 --> 00:17:21,108 Yourself. 501 00:17:21,378 --> 00:17:22,608 On keeping your word. 502 00:17:22,608 --> 00:17:24,018 And I'm going to ask these questions. 503 00:17:24,018 --> 00:17:25,428 and I'm not looking for answers. 504 00:17:25,458 --> 00:17:27,948 And I like the people out there listening to think about this. 505 00:17:29,028 --> 00:17:31,608 When you say to someone, I will pray for you. 506 00:17:32,118 --> 00:17:32,718 Do you. 507 00:17:33,718 --> 00:17:34,228 Wayne: Amen. 508 00:17:34,288 --> 00:17:37,078 Chris: When you tell someone they can depend on you to help them out. 509 00:17:37,438 --> 00:17:38,128 Can they. 510 00:17:39,128 --> 00:17:40,478 when you say you're going to be there. 511 00:17:40,478 --> 00:17:42,338 at such and such a time, are you. 512 00:17:43,338 --> 00:17:45,468 And when you obligate yourself to pay a bet. 513 00:17:45,558 --> 00:17:47,058 pay a debt on time. 514 00:17:47,448 --> 00:17:47,988 Do you. 515 00:17:48,988 --> 00:17:50,368 It's all good things to think about. 516 00:17:50,668 --> 00:17:52,228 And I'm as guilty as all of those. 517 00:17:52,228 --> 00:17:53,038 as anyone else. 518 00:17:54,038 --> 00:17:54,638 Wayne: I am too. 519 00:17:55,118 --> 00:17:55,868 I think. 520 00:17:57,098 --> 00:17:59,168 Anything you do for Christ. 521 00:17:59,168 --> 00:18:02,408 You always have to reevaluate yourself every once in a while. 522 00:18:02,708 --> 00:18:05,588 And I don't like to do that because that means when I reevaluate myself. 523 00:18:05,858 --> 00:18:09,308 Sometimes I see the mistakes and the stupidity that I have 524 00:18:09,578 --> 00:18:10,958 and trust me, we have it right. 525 00:18:10,988 --> 00:18:11,198 First. 526 00:18:11,198 --> 00:18:11,258 We. 527 00:18:11,678 --> 00:18:12,578 We all deal with that. 528 00:18:12,608 --> 00:18:12,923 Why. 529 00:18:13,163 --> 00:18:13,463 Chris: do. 530 00:18:13,493 --> 00:18:14,723 We absolutely do. 531 00:18:14,723 --> 00:18:16,687 Wayne: Here's the key to that learn from it. 532 00:18:16,807 --> 00:18:18,517 No, don't stay in it. 533 00:18:18,847 --> 00:18:22,027 So don't beat yourself up because of a. 534 00:18:22,447 --> 00:18:26,665 But also don't be able to say that's just me and make an excuse for it. 535 00:18:27,295 --> 00:18:31,015 Do what you can to get right before Jesus. 536 00:18:31,225 --> 00:18:31,795 Chris: Amen. 537 00:18:32,155 --> 00:18:33,535 Wayne: you will wake up the rest. 538 00:18:34,075 --> 00:18:34,585 Chris: Amen. 539 00:18:35,755 --> 00:18:36,985 So here's number seven. 540 00:18:37,615 --> 00:18:40,855 Help Those around you because relationships and 541 00:18:40,855 --> 00:18:43,385 services are central to life. 542 00:18:43,885 --> 00:18:45,475 You guys agree or disagree with that? 543 00:18:46,475 --> 00:18:46,895 Dave: I agree. 544 00:18:47,795 --> 00:18:49,145 Chris: I know another story on Wayne. 545 00:18:49,145 --> 00:18:50,765 like I haven't told anything. 546 00:18:51,065 --> 00:18:52,145 enough about him. 547 00:18:52,595 --> 00:18:54,125 Tell me if this is true, Wayne. 548 00:18:54,485 --> 00:18:55,805 I heard you were at. 549 00:18:55,985 --> 00:18:57,935 a local store. 550 00:18:58,935 --> 00:19:00,405 That got really busy. 551 00:19:01,335 --> 00:19:04,335 And without asking anyone, you just jumped in and started 552 00:19:04,335 --> 00:19:05,925 helping and you don't work there. 553 00:19:07,215 --> 00:19:08,505 Dave: That was accurate, 554 00:19:08,805 --> 00:19:10,305 and he's started it. 555 00:19:10,395 --> 00:19:10,845 Yeah. 556 00:19:11,295 --> 00:19:13,575 And then I just started doing something else. 557 00:19:13,725 --> 00:19:14,745 Chris: Isn't that amazing. 558 00:19:14,925 --> 00:19:15,195 Wayne. 559 00:19:15,195 --> 00:19:15,675 He was in the 560 00:19:15,915 --> 00:19:16,305 Wayne: Awesome. 561 00:19:16,545 --> 00:19:17,625 Chris: Wayne was in a store? 562 00:19:17,655 --> 00:19:17,985 work. 563 00:19:18,045 --> 00:19:21,825 Then a friend owns a brother in Christ owns and they got busy. 564 00:19:22,065 --> 00:19:24,225 So they start jumping behind the counter and helping. 565 00:19:25,485 --> 00:19:26,535 Wayne: Wow. 566 00:19:26,565 --> 00:19:26,595 Let's. 567 00:19:26,625 --> 00:19:27,945 That's a great example. 568 00:19:29,175 --> 00:19:30,945 And I think Wayne does live it out. 569 00:19:30,975 --> 00:19:31,365 I think. 570 00:19:31,935 --> 00:19:32,505 Hopefully. 571 00:19:33,135 --> 00:19:34,935 Me and you knew to Chris, but we do. 572 00:19:35,325 --> 00:19:37,215 I see it with my, I really do. 573 00:19:37,245 --> 00:19:39,075 Chris: a long way to go to be in the league with him. 574 00:19:39,225 --> 00:19:39,555 Dave: Oh, 575 00:19:39,705 --> 00:19:40,095 Wayne: brother. 576 00:19:40,215 --> 00:19:40,785 Me too. 577 00:19:40,785 --> 00:19:41,627 Chris: Hebrews 13. 578 00:19:41,627 --> 00:19:45,017 16 says, Do not forget to do good and share with others. 579 00:19:45,107 --> 00:19:46,427 For such sacrifices. 580 00:19:46,457 --> 00:19:46,937 God is. 581 00:19:46,937 --> 00:19:47,597 pleased. 582 00:19:47,807 --> 00:19:48,947 So you're pleasing God, when. 583 00:19:48,947 --> 00:19:49,637 you're doing that. 584 00:19:50,207 --> 00:19:50,897 How does that feel? 585 00:19:50,897 --> 00:19:51,497 That's awesome. 586 00:19:51,497 --> 00:19:51,947 Isn't it? 587 00:19:51,998 --> 00:19:52,208 Dave: If you 588 00:19:52,268 --> 00:19:52,898 Wayne: incredible. 589 00:19:53,168 --> 00:19:55,838 Dave: If you want to make a difference in anybody's life. 590 00:19:55,838 --> 00:19:57,098 you actually gotta be in it. 591 00:19:57,818 --> 00:19:58,568 Chris: so true. 592 00:19:58,628 --> 00:19:59,738 And that's a great saying. 593 00:20:00,758 --> 00:20:01,688 Wayne: That's really good. 594 00:20:01,718 --> 00:20:02,498 Say that again. 595 00:20:03,013 --> 00:20:05,233 Dave: If you want to make a difference in somebody's life, you. 596 00:20:05,263 --> 00:20:05,953 gotta be in it. 597 00:20:06,643 --> 00:20:07,483 Chris: so true. 598 00:20:08,023 --> 00:20:09,073 Wayne: As really good. 599 00:20:09,883 --> 00:20:11,653 Chris: So now Let's move on to the last one And I've got. 600 00:20:11,653 --> 00:20:14,743 a little bit to say about this one, but it's an easy one to explain. 601 00:20:15,073 --> 00:20:17,263 do everything with passion. 602 00:20:17,773 --> 00:20:18,733 What do you think about that? 603 00:20:18,733 --> 00:20:19,813 Agree or disagree? 604 00:20:20,813 --> 00:20:21,443 Wayne: I agree. 605 00:20:21,563 --> 00:20:24,083 You got, and here's the thing, though. 606 00:20:24,113 --> 00:20:27,353 There are things though that you're going to do that may not. 607 00:20:28,083 --> 00:20:29,686 You may not be interested in it. 608 00:20:30,136 --> 00:20:32,896 Even if God's called you to do it, you got to find a way. 609 00:20:33,196 --> 00:20:33,886 Plug yourself. 610 00:20:34,516 --> 00:20:35,236 Does that make sense? 611 00:20:35,746 --> 00:20:38,986 And when you put yourself in you, you get passionate about it because you. 612 00:20:39,526 --> 00:20:41,866 You believe in and not because of you, but because of. 613 00:20:42,196 --> 00:20:43,996 As of what God's called you to be. 614 00:20:44,146 --> 00:20:44,686 Chris: Amen. 615 00:20:45,376 --> 00:20:46,666 When do you agree or disagree? 616 00:20:47,204 --> 00:20:49,004 So we're all sports fans. 617 00:20:49,034 --> 00:20:52,214 What happens on a sports team when one person gets out. 618 00:20:52,274 --> 00:20:55,844 on the field or on the floor and they start playing with such passion. 619 00:20:56,174 --> 00:20:57,014 It's contagious. 620 00:20:57,014 --> 00:20:57,464 Isn't it? 621 00:20:58,454 --> 00:21:01,514 The rest of the team starts to pick that up and they start trying harder 622 00:21:01,514 --> 00:21:02,624 and they start playing better. 623 00:21:03,624 --> 00:21:04,404 Wayne: Absolutely. 624 00:21:04,904 --> 00:21:07,694 And I think good leadership attracts good leaders. 625 00:21:08,064 --> 00:21:11,946 When your leadership is good, it attracts those who want to be leaders. 626 00:21:12,006 --> 00:21:14,496 Cause they're following and they're learning from you. 627 00:21:14,766 --> 00:21:17,796 And the good news is you need to learn from them as well. 628 00:21:17,886 --> 00:21:18,606 Chris: Yeah, that's true. 629 00:21:18,816 --> 00:21:19,716 That's very true. 630 00:21:19,739 --> 00:21:22,393 Colossians 3 23 says, whatever you do. 631 00:21:22,513 --> 00:21:25,873 Work heartily as for the Lord and not for men. 632 00:21:26,383 --> 00:21:28,123 So I'm supposed to do. 633 00:21:28,123 --> 00:21:29,023 everything that I do. 634 00:21:29,023 --> 00:21:30,433 Like I'm doing it for God. 635 00:21:31,303 --> 00:21:31,753 And that 636 00:21:31,843 --> 00:21:32,396 Wayne: That's good. 637 00:21:32,896 --> 00:21:34,306 Chris: Wayne, what are you passionate about? 638 00:21:35,306 --> 00:21:36,056 Dave: Gosh, I don't know. 639 00:21:36,977 --> 00:21:37,517 Chris: Teaching. 640 00:21:37,577 --> 00:21:38,657 You're an excellent teacher. 641 00:21:39,317 --> 00:21:40,677 Dave, what are you passionate about? 642 00:21:40,727 --> 00:21:42,647 Wayne: I am passionate about the church. 643 00:21:42,857 --> 00:21:43,347 I love that. 644 00:21:43,347 --> 00:21:46,671 What's funny if you there's other things I'm passionate about that I love. 645 00:21:46,684 --> 00:21:49,024 Like I get to analysis the girl's softball game. 646 00:21:49,024 --> 00:21:49,474 I love. 647 00:21:49,504 --> 00:21:51,472 baseball and softball, that's okay. 648 00:21:51,592 --> 00:21:53,212 But can you use that to be. 649 00:21:53,872 --> 00:21:55,462 Positive in someone's life. 650 00:21:55,702 --> 00:21:58,312 Can you use that to be Jesus in someone's life? 651 00:21:58,342 --> 00:22:00,502 It doesn't have to be just what you do. 652 00:22:00,742 --> 00:22:03,322 It can be the things that you also have fun with. 653 00:22:03,382 --> 00:22:03,712 And. 654 00:22:03,751 --> 00:22:05,401 I think we sometimes don't think our LA. 655 00:22:05,671 --> 00:22:07,261 Loud to have fun as Christians. 656 00:22:07,358 --> 00:22:08,459 That's a sad thing. 657 00:22:08,489 --> 00:22:09,929 When we come to that conclusion. 658 00:22:10,259 --> 00:22:10,859 Chris: It is. 659 00:22:11,459 --> 00:22:12,899 So here's the question. 660 00:22:13,079 --> 00:22:14,399 What should a Christian. 661 00:22:14,399 --> 00:22:15,659 be Passionate about. 662 00:22:16,199 --> 00:22:19,139 And I've got four items on this, but I would love to hear from you guys, what 663 00:22:19,139 --> 00:22:21,069 should a Christian be passionate about? 664 00:22:21,569 --> 00:22:22,409 Maybe you go 665 00:22:23,409 --> 00:22:24,399 throw David under the bus. 666 00:22:25,399 --> 00:22:26,089 Wayne: That's okay. 667 00:22:26,089 --> 00:22:27,079 I can take it. 668 00:22:27,129 --> 00:22:27,863 I've been run over. 669 00:22:28,223 --> 00:22:28,973 Twice this week. 670 00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:29,497 Chris: Gosh. 671 00:22:29,997 --> 00:22:30,207 Wayne: Thanks. 672 00:22:30,687 --> 00:22:30,897 Thanks. 673 00:22:32,427 --> 00:22:34,347 Back to the question that I've already forgotten. 674 00:22:35,307 --> 00:22:36,027 Chris: That's a twofer. 675 00:22:37,027 --> 00:22:37,897 Wayne: All kinds of teas. 676 00:22:38,707 --> 00:22:39,127 Oops. 677 00:22:40,127 --> 00:22:40,667 Chris: All right. 678 00:22:40,774 --> 00:22:41,344 What should a 679 00:22:41,344 --> 00:22:42,634 Christian be passionate 680 00:22:42,634 --> 00:22:43,114 about? 681 00:22:43,234 --> 00:22:43,954 Wayne: I'm with you. 682 00:22:43,954 --> 00:22:45,934 I think a Christian should be passionate. 683 00:22:46,294 --> 00:22:49,464 About his relationship with Christ, I think, or he. 684 00:22:50,184 --> 00:22:51,864 Her relationship with Christ. 685 00:22:52,134 --> 00:22:53,094 I think he should. 686 00:22:53,155 --> 00:22:55,675 Are you passionate about his family? 687 00:22:55,742 --> 00:22:58,981 And I think he should be passionate about the church and I think he 688 00:22:58,981 --> 00:23:00,361 should be passionate about where he. 689 00:23:00,412 --> 00:23:01,792 Those are the four things I got. 690 00:23:01,792 --> 00:23:02,942 Chris: Absolutely right. 691 00:23:02,942 --> 00:23:06,092 Wayne, what's something you think of that a Christian should be passionate about? 692 00:23:06,695 --> 00:23:08,345 Dave: I'm going to take three of Dave's. 693 00:23:08,645 --> 00:23:09,065 Chris: Okay. 694 00:23:09,134 --> 00:23:09,644 Wayne: Can I have. 695 00:23:10,304 --> 00:23:12,674 Dave: I think they should be passionate about Jesus. 696 00:23:12,704 --> 00:23:12,974 Amen. 697 00:23:13,604 --> 00:23:14,984 Passionate about. 698 00:23:15,884 --> 00:23:16,694 They're family. 699 00:23:16,724 --> 00:23:17,354 Chris: Amen. 700 00:23:18,434 --> 00:23:19,964 Dave: Passionate about worship. 701 00:23:20,024 --> 00:23:20,424 Chris: Yes. 702 00:23:20,924 --> 00:23:21,404 And 703 00:23:22,214 --> 00:23:23,234 Dave: passionate about. 704 00:23:23,264 --> 00:23:24,614 the word. 705 00:23:25,994 --> 00:23:26,534 Chris: Amen. 706 00:23:26,534 --> 00:23:26,894 We got it. 707 00:23:26,954 --> 00:23:27,614 That's a good one. 708 00:23:27,614 --> 00:23:28,154 Dave: Maybe two 709 00:23:28,214 --> 00:23:29,084 Wayne: That's a great one. 710 00:23:29,534 --> 00:23:31,634 Chris: So I've got four and I knew you guys were going to 711 00:23:31,634 --> 00:23:33,194 list those, but I've got four. 712 00:23:33,584 --> 00:23:35,564 And you tell me if you agree or disagree with. 713 00:23:35,864 --> 00:23:36,524 With this. 714 00:23:36,854 --> 00:23:38,384 First a Christian. 715 00:23:38,444 --> 00:23:39,494 should hate. 716 00:23:40,004 --> 00:23:40,604 Evil. 717 00:23:40,814 --> 00:23:42,494 Absolutely hate evil. 718 00:23:42,824 --> 00:23:44,864 I know we struggle with the term hate. 719 00:23:44,864 --> 00:23:45,734 And we like to say. 720 00:23:45,734 --> 00:23:49,484 We dislike, but when it comes to evil, that's not strong enough. 721 00:23:49,514 --> 00:23:49,814 God. 722 00:23:49,814 --> 00:23:51,464 Desires, we hate evil. 723 00:23:51,734 --> 00:23:54,464 The fear of the Lord is to despise evil. 724 00:23:54,974 --> 00:23:56,114 Agree or disagree. 725 00:23:57,104 --> 00:23:57,494 Wayne: I agree. 726 00:23:57,544 --> 00:23:58,397 How many points. 727 00:23:58,577 --> 00:23:59,117 Fair share. 728 00:23:59,237 --> 00:24:00,017 Does it tell us. 729 00:24:00,317 --> 00:24:01,577 To run away from that style. 730 00:24:01,607 --> 00:24:04,217 I love when Joe, when Joseph was faced. 731 00:24:04,517 --> 00:24:07,577 With a great sense of Potiphar's life. 732 00:24:08,117 --> 00:24:08,417 He didn't. 733 00:24:08,657 --> 00:24:10,517 Stay there and try to rationalize it. 734 00:24:10,547 --> 00:24:11,067 He didn't stay there. 735 00:24:11,079 --> 00:24:13,569 What I need to do here is use exact example. 736 00:24:14,499 --> 00:24:15,189 That's what he did. 737 00:24:15,339 --> 00:24:20,229 He ran, he got out of there because he knew it was evil and he got away from it. 738 00:24:20,379 --> 00:24:23,079 Sometimes we need to drop what we're doing. 739 00:24:23,109 --> 00:24:25,419 If it's not from God and run from 740 00:24:25,479 --> 00:24:26,209 Chris: Amen. 741 00:24:26,269 --> 00:24:26,869 Wayne: Sorry. 742 00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:28,100 That's a good one for me. 743 00:24:28,250 --> 00:24:28,520 Chris: is. 744 00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:30,590 And I am very passionate about this one, too. 745 00:24:30,590 --> 00:24:31,640 And I worried about that. 746 00:24:31,670 --> 00:24:33,260 that I would come across too passionate. 747 00:24:33,260 --> 00:24:33,680 on this. 748 00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:35,390 And then probably, maybe that's a good thing. 749 00:24:35,930 --> 00:24:36,530 Proverbs. 750 00:24:36,650 --> 00:24:37,790 Wayne: I gave him more badges. 751 00:24:37,970 --> 00:24:38,330 But other than that, 752 00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:39,530 Chris: Proverbs. 753 00:24:39,590 --> 00:24:43,970 eight, 13, tells us I despise pride, arrogance, the evil 754 00:24:43,970 --> 00:24:45,800 way and the perverted mouth. 755 00:24:45,830 --> 00:24:47,660 And I really think it's. 756 00:24:47,660 --> 00:24:50,540 past time for Christians to hate evil. 757 00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:52,190 Now, let me clarify that. 758 00:24:52,430 --> 00:24:54,710 I'm not saying we should hate evil people. 759 00:24:55,220 --> 00:24:57,500 We should not, we should want no part of their waves. 760 00:24:57,500 --> 00:24:58,730 It's not welcome in our homes. 761 00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:01,580 It's not welcome in our school and it's not welcome in our mind. 762 00:25:02,300 --> 00:25:02,660 Wayne: Yeah. 763 00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:07,959 It's become kind of cliche, but I think it's really something that we do need to. 764 00:25:07,959 --> 00:25:08,544 Thank God. 765 00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:11,852 You don't hate the center, you hate the sin and. 766 00:25:12,332 --> 00:25:15,902 And I know you, we hear that, but I think there's a reality there. 767 00:25:15,902 --> 00:25:18,932 If we can actually put it into practice and not just say 768 00:25:18,999 --> 00:25:19,989 that's what everybody says. 769 00:25:20,079 --> 00:25:20,889 I get that. 770 00:25:21,369 --> 00:25:24,249 But I think it's really important that we truly hate. 771 00:25:24,669 --> 00:25:29,259 The sin, whatever that sin is, we need to despise it, but love the person. 772 00:25:29,289 --> 00:25:29,619 Dave: Yeah. 773 00:25:30,459 --> 00:25:31,449 Chris: You're exactly right. 774 00:25:31,959 --> 00:25:33,219 The second one I've got is. 775 00:25:33,219 --> 00:25:35,469 we need to clean to What is good. 776 00:25:35,829 --> 00:25:38,709 And sometimes as Christians, We water this down. 777 00:25:38,739 --> 00:25:42,039 We like what is good, But I don't think that's strong enough. 778 00:25:42,039 --> 00:25:43,839 We need to stick to it like glue. 779 00:25:43,839 --> 00:25:45,339 We must be so committed to. 780 00:25:45,339 --> 00:25:46,749 good that we're inseparable. 781 00:25:47,049 --> 00:25:47,919 Paul says we are. 782 00:25:47,919 --> 00:25:50,859 But exam We are too, but examine everything carefully. 783 00:25:50,949 --> 00:25:53,079 Hold fast to that, which is good. 784 00:25:53,079 --> 00:25:55,239 That's the first that's the loan is 5 21. 785 00:25:55,779 --> 00:25:56,019 Things 786 00:25:56,019 --> 00:25:59,979 like Bible study fellowship, prayer worship services are 787 00:25:59,979 --> 00:26:01,719 good and we need to be good. 788 00:26:01,749 --> 00:26:02,941 glued to those. 789 00:26:03,441 --> 00:26:03,831 Wayne: Agreed. 790 00:26:04,251 --> 00:26:04,881 I agree. 791 00:26:05,241 --> 00:26:06,843 Chris: When We have a small Bible. 792 00:26:06,843 --> 00:26:10,233 group study that I, I think we're all glued to, we've 793 00:26:10,233 --> 00:26:12,183 had this for over a year now. 794 00:26:12,603 --> 00:26:12,813 Dave: Yep. 795 00:26:13,053 --> 00:26:13,663 Push in a year and a 796 00:26:13,773 --> 00:26:16,443 Chris: We am a year and a half, we meet every Tuesday. 797 00:26:16,443 --> 00:26:17,763 And I love these people. 798 00:26:17,763 --> 00:26:18,423 like family. 799 00:26:18,423 --> 00:26:20,193 This it's a wonderful relationship. 800 00:26:20,193 --> 00:26:21,046 We've all developed. 801 00:26:21,077 --> 00:26:21,917 Dave: That's all intentional. 802 00:26:22,457 --> 00:26:22,877 Chris: Yes. 803 00:26:23,507 --> 00:26:24,047 Dave: Passion. 804 00:26:24,857 --> 00:26:25,607 It was intentional. 805 00:26:25,667 --> 00:26:27,587 Just like love is intentional. 806 00:26:28,157 --> 00:26:28,967 Chris: You're Exactly right. 807 00:26:28,967 --> 00:26:30,107 That's a very good point. 808 00:26:31,067 --> 00:26:32,147 So the third one. 809 00:26:32,717 --> 00:26:32,957 Is. 810 00:26:33,707 --> 00:26:34,697 what you just mentioned. 811 00:26:34,697 --> 00:26:35,207 Exactly. 812 00:26:35,207 --> 00:26:36,947 Be devoted to one another. 813 00:26:37,337 --> 00:26:39,107 And a lot of times we're not Christians. 814 00:26:39,107 --> 00:26:39,737 need to learn. 815 00:26:39,737 --> 00:26:43,697 To be devoted to each other in brotherly love, and that doesn't 816 00:26:43,697 --> 00:26:46,937 mean you tolerate each other for a couple of days during the week. 817 00:26:46,937 --> 00:26:47,687 for worship. 818 00:26:47,987 --> 00:26:48,887 It means your family. 819 00:26:48,917 --> 00:26:50,987 You're passionate about helping, serving. 820 00:26:51,017 --> 00:26:52,007 teaching and. 821 00:26:52,517 --> 00:26:54,707 Here's a tough one, admonishing each other. 822 00:26:55,097 --> 00:26:57,647 When you see a brother in danger of losing his soul. 823 00:26:57,677 --> 00:27:00,357 do you gossip about it or do you go talk to him? 824 00:27:00,857 --> 00:27:01,367 Wayne: I agree. 825 00:27:01,827 --> 00:27:02,082 More. 826 00:27:02,322 --> 00:27:02,952 Chris: Go ahead, Dave. 827 00:27:03,492 --> 00:27:04,752 Wayne: Yeah, one of my favorite. 828 00:27:04,808 --> 00:27:08,530 People is a guy named Bob Russell and he moves it, say he was the minister 829 00:27:08,530 --> 00:27:11,920 for years at Southeast Christian Church, and now he just travels and speaks. 830 00:27:12,220 --> 00:27:13,180 But he's amazing. 831 00:27:13,180 --> 00:27:15,610 And he said this when you begin to radiate. 832 00:27:15,940 --> 00:27:19,414 The abundant life in Christ, you're able to make Christ more 833 00:27:19,414 --> 00:27:21,484 attractive to your children. 834 00:27:21,634 --> 00:27:23,974 And to those you made in the marketplace. 835 00:27:24,094 --> 00:27:24,694 Chris: Amen. 836 00:27:24,994 --> 00:27:25,594 Wow. 837 00:27:25,924 --> 00:27:26,554 Amen. 838 00:27:26,644 --> 00:27:27,434 Wayne: the goal, right? 839 00:27:27,434 --> 00:27:28,856 That's where we need to be in. 840 00:27:29,966 --> 00:27:30,986 Chris: So I've got one more. 841 00:27:30,986 --> 00:27:31,286 and I know. 842 00:27:31,286 --> 00:27:34,406 we're just A little long on this one, but we need to be passionate. 843 00:27:34,406 --> 00:27:37,106 And both of you guys named this on, about serving the Lord. 844 00:27:37,676 --> 00:27:39,326 Paul says not to be lagging. 845 00:27:39,326 --> 00:27:41,846 in diligence and to be Fervor and in our service. 846 00:27:42,176 --> 00:27:43,166 And if you look that up, 847 00:27:43,166 --> 00:27:45,674 the word fervent means to be Boiling over. 848 00:27:46,004 --> 00:27:46,694 and to people. 849 00:27:46,724 --> 00:27:47,024 Isn't. 850 00:27:47,024 --> 00:27:49,874 Can you say you're boiling over in your service to God? 851 00:27:50,354 --> 00:27:52,754 First Corinthians 15:58. 852 00:27:52,934 --> 00:27:55,394 Paul wrote, Therefore my beloved brethren. 853 00:27:55,514 --> 00:27:56,684 be Steadfast. 854 00:27:56,864 --> 00:28:00,104 immovable, always abounding in the work for the Lord. 855 00:28:00,344 --> 00:28:02,594 Knowing that your toil is not in vain in. 856 00:28:02,594 --> 00:28:03,134 the Lord. 857 00:28:04,334 --> 00:28:06,254 Can you peep, can everyone out there. 858 00:28:06,674 --> 00:28:09,494 say that you're always abounding in the work of the Lord? 859 00:28:09,854 --> 00:28:13,274 Or when was the last time you honestly wore yourself out in service? 860 00:28:13,274 --> 00:28:14,054 to the king? 861 00:28:14,474 --> 00:28:15,764 And If you're not busy it's time. 862 00:28:15,764 --> 00:28:16,454 to get busy. 863 00:28:16,454 --> 00:28:19,844 You're never more useful than when you're selflessly serving the Lord. 864 00:28:19,844 --> 00:28:21,104 with everything you have. 865 00:28:22,064 --> 00:28:22,604 Wayne: Amen. 866 00:28:23,054 --> 00:28:23,714 I man. 867 00:28:24,494 --> 00:28:25,814 You need to make that push that button. 868 00:28:25,844 --> 00:28:26,264 So right here. 869 00:28:26,414 --> 00:28:26,804 Amen. 870 00:28:28,274 --> 00:28:28,874 Chris: How's that. 871 00:28:29,354 --> 00:28:29,924 And we'll go up. 872 00:28:29,984 --> 00:28:32,264 Oh, look what started here at Cubs. 873 00:28:32,654 --> 00:28:33,104 Oh, no. 874 00:28:33,674 --> 00:28:34,884 Wayne: Oh, come on, man. 875 00:28:35,384 --> 00:28:35,684 Chris: Wayne. 876 00:28:35,684 --> 00:28:36,824 What are your thoughts on that? 877 00:28:38,204 --> 00:28:38,684 Dave: I agree. 878 00:28:39,134 --> 00:28:39,704 Chris: Very good. 879 00:28:39,974 --> 00:28:40,904 Dave: Deep thoughts. 880 00:28:41,904 --> 00:28:43,644 Chris: Alright, Dave, I think we've wrapped this one up. 881 00:28:43,674 --> 00:28:44,604 You want to take us out? 882 00:28:45,234 --> 00:28:48,864 Wayne: Yeah, let me close it with this again, another one of my authors 883 00:28:48,864 --> 00:28:50,604 that I like to read his stuff. 884 00:28:50,634 --> 00:28:55,164 Ragamuffin gospel is one of many books and not everybody it's not 885 00:28:55,194 --> 00:28:56,694 for everybody, but it was for me. 886 00:28:57,354 --> 00:29:03,444 We're in a Manning, says this, my deepest awareness of myself is that I am deeply 887 00:29:03,444 --> 00:29:06,414 loved by Jesus Christ and I have done. 888 00:29:06,774 --> 00:29:09,684 Nothing to earn it or deserve it. 889 00:29:10,414 --> 00:29:13,667 Stand in awe of Jesus. 890 00:29:14,027 --> 00:29:18,497 Then you can be the leadership he's calling you to be, you can be the later. 891 00:29:18,587 --> 00:29:19,997 He's calling you to be. 892 00:29:20,357 --> 00:29:22,127 And so I challenge you. 893 00:29:22,136 --> 00:29:24,831 Chris and I double dog dare you, Wayne and us. 894 00:29:25,011 --> 00:29:25,911 Better do it. 895 00:29:26,601 --> 00:29:27,651 Watch what happens? 896 00:29:27,651 --> 00:29:29,181 I hope you guys have a great week. 897 00:29:29,211 --> 00:29:31,611 Thanks for putting up with us today. 898 00:29:31,691 --> 00:29:32,471 Have a great day.