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Dave: What's up, everybody.
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we're back.
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And We're glad to hear you.
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and We're glad to see ya.
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I say.
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we're glad to hear you.
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And I really don't hear you.
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So I don't know why I
say that, but anyway.
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Thanks, Chris, you didn't.
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You could have encouraged me.
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Wayne: You're right,
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Dave: Dave, you're an idiot.
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Thank you,
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Chris: Just kept my mouth shut.
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Dave: Yes.
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I am.
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Are you guys.
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ready for the NCAA?
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Chris: I am.
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So looking forward to that.
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Dave: Who are you?
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Who you got one at all?
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Wayne.
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Wayne: I don't even know who's in it
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Dave: just.
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say Kentucky.
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Thank you of you who don't know us.
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we.
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live in
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Chris: Kentucky.
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Wayne: here.
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Dave: You got Chris.
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Chris: Kentucky not Tennessee, even though
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that's what my ballot may say.
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Dave: As, Ah,
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let us pray.
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You trader.
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Chris: Oh, I feel terrible.
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Dave: know we have.
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It has nothing to do with
anything, but I want a UK shirt.
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So I go big blue.
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Chris: Yeah, absolutely.
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Dave: All right.
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So Psalm 25:21 says
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may integrity And uprightness preserve
me for, I wait for you, Oh Lord.
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So that's the goal.
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today that we are.
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Being our best for God.
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I don't
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Chris: We're going
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Dave: to
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Chris: to talk about.
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Thank you, man.
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Dave: Alright.
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Chris, what do you got for us?
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Let's go.
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Chris: Today, We're going
to finish the leadership
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ethics.
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We
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had a really good discussion.
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where we discussed
Kohlberg and his stages.
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of ethical and morality.
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So we're going to finish that today.
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With.
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Three of the most popular.
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Leadership theories.
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Those are adaptive leadership,
transformational leadership,
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and servant leadership.
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and how leadership ethics applies to them.
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Dave: Sounds good.
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That, that, that stone
cold Goldberg man, he does.
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That's amazing.
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That guy does so many things.
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Chris: I
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Dave: I'm joking.
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You
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don't have to tell us I was wrong.
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I get it.
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We're just trying to be a little like.
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Lighten up.
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Alright.
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Chris: it.
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Dave: That's a good laugh.
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in one.
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I haven't heard that
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Chris: one yet.
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We haven't done much funny,
so we gotta work on that.
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Dave: Now I feel guilty about that.
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Currently.
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And then funny, y'all go.
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Chris: You're always funny.
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Okay.
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Tell
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me if this sounds correct
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or not.
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It seems like
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we live in a world where one, after
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another high-profile scandals
in business and government.
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happened.
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True or false.
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Dave: True.
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a hundred percent.
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Chris: Because of this.
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the interest in ethical leadership
has grown proportionally.
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The ethical scholars that are the
leaders of ethical scholar studies,
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such as Ronald high fights, James
McGregor burns and rubber Greenleaf.
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I provided a perspective in this area.
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and a common theme is a need
for leadership based on honesty.
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Service for others and moral courage.
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Would you agree with that?
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Dave: Yeah.
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that's a, that's an interesting.
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Two words you put together their moral
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Chris: Moral
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Dave: When that word, what do
you think about those two words,
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Chris: Chris?
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I think about when
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you know, what the right thing
is or what you should be doing.
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But yet you don't have the courage to do
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that.
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It takes a
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certain amount of courage
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to stand up when you're against the crowd.
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Dave: man, we need more Christians.
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That have moral
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Chris: do.
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Amen.
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Dave: Yeah.
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What do you think Wayne?
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Wayne: I literally tell
my guys all the time.
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Don't be afraid to be.
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Different.
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Chris: Very good.
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Wayne: Be afraid to be the example.
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Chris: Very good.
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Dave: Being a guy created you to be,
but make sure you have integrity.
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And I think that's what we're
going through today is that right?
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Chris: That's it.
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That's it.
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So now for high fights.
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The leadership involves using
authority to help followers.
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uphold the values in the workplace.
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Burns his theory of transformational
leadership, which you may remember.
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emphasizes the moral development
of followers and maintains a high
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standards of ethical conduct while
Greenleaf's approach to leadership
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has strong, ethical overtones with
the central premise, being that true
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leadership is a service to others.
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Dave: That's good stuff.
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I think,
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Chris: that.
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Dave: one of the biggest things
that the church is lacking.
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and I know.
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in our church is something we've wanted
to get better at is serving attitude.
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And the funny thing is just
look next door and try it.
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And.
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You can do, you can serve people
in ways you never dreamed of.
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My wife, she doesn't always like
being around people, but she can cook.
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All day
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long she loves taking people
food and bless him that way.
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Chris: Oh, she is so good at that too.
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She's amazing.
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Dave: She finds her lane and jumps in
it and I think that's pretty important.
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What do you think Wayne?
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Wayne: Sure.
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I Not everybody is going to do.
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The same thing.
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not everyone has the same gifts.
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Chris: think we got a winner.
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Very good.
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Dave: That
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Chris: was a.
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Dave: fun sound.
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Chris: We're trying them out.
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So I think it may be good to review
those three theories just quickly.
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If
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he remember high fights, his theory,
is leadership, is adaptive leadership.
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And in a nutshell, it states as the
responsibility of the leader is to
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assist the follower in struggling
with change and personal growth.
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Burns.
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His
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theory of leadership
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is transformational leadership.
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And he states that The
leader's responsibility is
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to assist the followers in assessing their
values and needs, and to help followers
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rise to a higher level of functioning.
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And everybody's
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favorite is Robert Greenleaf.
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He developed his idea of servant
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leadership and he says the
leaders should be attentive.
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to the concerns of their followers and
should take care of them and nurture them.
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In addition, Greenleaf argues
that the servant leaders
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have social responsibilities.
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To be connected with the have-nots.
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and Should strive to remove inequalities.
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and social injustices.
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Greenleaf Places a great deal
of emphasis on listening.
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empathy And unconditional
acceptance of others.
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Those sound familiar.
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Dave: Absolutely.
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And I think.
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Say those again.
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Cause I think it's important
that we hear those.
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Chris: Throws things again.
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high.
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This theory is adaptive leadership.
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Burns.
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is theory is transformational leadership.
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and Greenleaf's theory
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Dave: and I think those are all
important things that we need to apply.
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Every one of those.
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Chris: Absolutely.
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So now let's quickly.
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move on to
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One more.
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This was written in a
book in 1986 called the
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hard problems
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of management.
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gaining the ethics edge
and it's by mark pasting.
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Mark paced and was the
first person to teach him.
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I'm sorry, take a
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managerial approach to
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ethics in business.
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This was
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considered very thought provoking
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at the time
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and paste and makes the following
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point to see
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if you guys agree with this.
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An ideal
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ethical organization
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adds to the value of the individuals
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who are in the
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organization.
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It does not require that the individual
sacrifice some of their integrity
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to belong to the organization.
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Dave: I agree.
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I think.
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One of the things that we have to do
is it's just again, I know church work.
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That's what I deal with and I have
to make sure I'm above reproach.
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Chris: Absolutely.
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Dave: That, that people know
I'm doing my best to live it.
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That doesn't mean I won't make
mistakes, but it means that when I
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claim those mistakes allowing Jesus
to work through me and get better.
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Chris: Amen.
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Wait, what do you think about that?
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Wayne: It makes perfect sense.
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Chris: Let me take that a step further
and apply my own twist to that.
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Leadership when understood
correctly operates the same way.
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Leadership adds to the
value of the individuals.
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And it should never require
that individual sacrifice
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any of their integrity.
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Agree or disagree.
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Wayne: I agree.
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Dave: don't think you
should ever sacrifice
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The live like him.
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And I think it's not
something that we just act at.
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we live at.
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We work at it.
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It's an every day.
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put it on kind of thing.
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Chris: Absolutely.
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Does
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Dave: make sense?
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Chris: Perfect sense.
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Wayne: If I can carry
that one step further,
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Dave: You absolutely can.
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Wayne: That's something
I've learned as I end up.
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With opportunities to teach me.
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At the church.
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Is if I don't think of those.
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Nights where I'm teaching.
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As an assignment.
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Chris: That
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Wayne: have to cover a particular thing.
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And live my daily life, always.
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In that thing that.
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In this case, in the word.
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Then.
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Wednesday nights means
something completely different.
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Chris: That's beautiful.
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Yeah,
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I can see that.
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And he
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Dave: does a great job.
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on Wednesday nights.
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Chris: Yes.
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He really does.
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Dave: important that you guys know that.
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This things that we're talking about,
it's not something that we just
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Chris: it's
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Dave: our life and we want to
apply these things every day.
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to to our leadership and be better at it.
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Chris: Absolutely right.
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Dave: So there you go.
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Chris: Let me finish with
this When the paced and viewed
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leadership a social contract.
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And he developed a two-prong test for
deciding if ethics of that contract.
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should be translated to
the concept of leadership.
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The social contract is sound.
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If the parties to the contract would
enter the contact freely and fairly.
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is what he said.
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The patient didn't tell us what he
meant by the use of the word freely.
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except it means voluntarily.
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He also did
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not.
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define the word fairly.
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But most of us know the secret to
determining if a contract is fair,
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Wayne, you're a Wheeler and dealer.
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How do you know if a contract is fair?
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There's a simple test.
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Wayne: If everybody wins a little
and everybody loses a little.
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Chris: That's a
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good answer.
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Dave: That's good.
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Wayne: but
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Chris: that's not what I had in mind,
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Dave: No you're wrong.
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Loser.
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Chris: Dave, what do you think.
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I
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Dave: I've
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already forgot the question now.
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go over it
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Chris: It's a simple test to
tell if any contract is fair.
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Dave: I think if it.
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were for me.
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if it matches with.
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truth, if it's, if it lines up to my.
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Chris: can see that.
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Dave: To what I believe
you can tell me I'm wrong.
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too.
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It's
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Chris: okay.
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But.
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the simple test to tell
if any contract is fair.
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If both parties would still
agree if the roles were reversed.
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Oh,
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Dave: See, I wasn't
even thinking that way.
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That's.
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good.
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Wayne: He let you off easy on that one.
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Chris: I did.
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Dave: he did not lay you off.
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Wayne: railed me.
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Dave: That's because you're a loser
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Chris: Maybe a little worse with.
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So Here's a verse that I
thought really tied in with this
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it's Philippians two, three.
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Do nothing from selfish.
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selfish ambition or conceit.
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but in humility.
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count others more
significant than yourself.
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That's good.
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Dave: I A hundred percent and.
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What's that look like?
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How you put that on.
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Chris: How to treat others.
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More significantly than yourself.
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Yes.
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That's a good question.
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How do we live that every day?
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Dave: And I think again, so
there's simple things you can do.
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I remember when I first started ministry,
I used to pass out those WWJD bracelets.
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Chris: I remember those well.
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Those
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Dave: bracelets are good, but that
lifestyle's better If you're really
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asking yourself, what would Jesus do?
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That's a great integrity
model for you to follow.
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How would Jesus handle this?
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If someone hurts you, how would
Jesus deal with that hurt?
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Granted he's Jesus and we're not,
but if we do our best to compare
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it and use the word as our guide.
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I've always discovered him with me to
find godly people that I can trust.
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And you know, what.
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Chris,
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what do you think.
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Am I wrong here?
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Chris: I agree.
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Dave: And someone who
will tell me I'm wrong.
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It's just as important as someone
who will tell me I'm right.
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Chris: may be more important
because they're more rare
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Dave: now.
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I think I'm right there.
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Both equal.
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Chris: I tried.
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He didn't listen.
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So I want to end this one with
a couple of moral dilemmas.
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Now, the purpose of this.
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It's to
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show you.
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With regards to ethics
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or anything else?
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in leadership.
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Sometimes there's no great decision.
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There's no perfect decision.
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You're going to end up making people mad.
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And
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you're going to end
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up making people think
you've made unethical.
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Decisions when the truth is.
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You've done the best that you
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can.
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Dave, I want to start with you.
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In this dilemma, you're
playing the role of a citizen.
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I'm sure.
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you can handle that.
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Dave: and gentlemen, Dave scaff.
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Yeah.
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citizen
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Wayne: Kane.
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Dave: citizen.
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Chris: Let's give her a little drama to.
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that one.
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We
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Dave: like to have fun.
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Chris: No.
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Dave: Barry was.
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Chris: Dave, you're driving your car.
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When you come upon the
scene of an accident.
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and there's no emergency vehicles,
you're the first car there.
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And clearly.
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one person will die without
immediate medical care.
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You take the victim and
speed to the hospital.
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You're going to save the life.
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That's wonderful.
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But the extra speed causes another
accident and a person dies.
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How should you be judged?
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Dave: Oh, my goodness.
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Oh, I didn't know world.
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Chris: These are not easy.
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Yeah.
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Dave: I don't know.
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I think.
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I'm probably I lean gray.
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So my heart was right.
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I screwed up, but my heart was right.
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How should I be judged?
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So ultimately in the eyes of God, I
think I gave grace in the eyes of people.
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How they look at me.
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Chris: I
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don't
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Dave: know.
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I think it would go both ways and
I just gotta be okay with knowing
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that I was trying to do my best.
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shit.
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I've speeded.
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Speeding.
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Is that the right word?
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Chris: Should I have gone
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Dave: too fast.
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Chris: That's it.
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Dave: I've been drinking either.
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All right.
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Sorry.
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Chris: you were Doing
your best to save a life.
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But
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I don't think.
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the Family of the person who died
would agree with that at all.
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Wayne: Yes, you
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Dave: because.
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you're driving.
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Yeah, I
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agree.
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I get that.
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I get both sides of it.
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I get the hard, that's
trying to save somebody to.
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But I think ultimately you can't
go wrong when you'll be the law.
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Chris: That's true.
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Dave: I really don't.
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And none of
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Chris: What if you would
have obeyed The law.
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And you didn't speed, you didn't cause an
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accident, but the person you're trying to
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save died and his family.
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thought, Man, why didn't he step on it?
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Dave: And again, it
comes down to my heart.
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You can't judge my heart.
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Chris, cause that's between me and God.
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Chris: You're absolutely right.
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Dave: but If I want, if I think
I'm doing the right thing then I
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think I'm doing the right thing.
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Wayne, what do you think?
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Wayne: I think.
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No one can predict the future.
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So it goes back for me every time I.
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think I'm about to get
vested for speeding.
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I always have this.
491
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made up conversation I can go through
my head with the police officer.
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Dave: I've had to drive with him.
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Chris: my God.
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Dave: This is going to
be so much fun For me.
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to go off here.
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and it's, I can't go ahead.
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Wayne: Because I always think.
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If I hadn't been speeding.
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I wouldn't be in this place, but
if I had been going slower than
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maybe I would have been an accident.
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Like we really just.
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Chris: Oh, you've put some
real thought into that.
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You
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Dave: have put your phone down.
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Yeah,
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Chris: Hey.
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Wayne: I was speeding.
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I wasn't doing the
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Dave: speeding.
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Chris: Okay.
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Look the point of this.
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Is hopefully.
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You can see in the
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listeners can see that
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sometimes as
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a leader, you're
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going to have to make decisions.
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that not everyone's gonna And some
519
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people are gonna think.
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are unethical, but you have to make
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the best decision with the
information you have at that time.
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And not looking back at it.
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Dave: Absolutely.
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That's good.
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Chris: Wayne.
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I've got one for you in this
moral dilemma, you'll be
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playing the role of a salesman.
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Oh, no.
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Dave: Ladies and gentlemen.
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Wayne: I'm broken, starving.
531
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Yeah.
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Chris: You learn that
your company is selling.
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faulty equipment.
534
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That could be dangerous.
535
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But your spouse needs medical treatment.
536
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That costs a lot of money and it's
a large percentage of your income.
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You believe that.
538
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if you confront your employer with the
faulty equipment, you will lose your job.
539
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And your wife will die.
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What do
541
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you do?
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Compared to
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Wayne: to answer.
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Chris: I wish I had the jeopardy thing.
545
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Yeah,
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Dave: dun.
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Dun.
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Wayne: I wouldn't bring it
up to somebody in my company.
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Chris: Higher than you are lower than you.
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Higher than.
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Okay.
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Wayne: But I would
probably have the goods.
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If they came back on me.
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To pursue some other sort of action.
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If I got fired.
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Chris: So you
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Wayne: We're doing the right thing.
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Chris: Okay.
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It's like a whistleblower
thing or something like that.
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Okay.
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Okay.
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Yeah, your wife has.
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Certainly your main
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priority.
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Sure.
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But if you don't do something,
someone could be injured or die.
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Dave, what do you think about it?
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Dave: Doing the right things,
doing the right thing.
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I
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Wayne: think there's that answer again?
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Dave: I
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think Wayne's
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Chris: right.
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Dave: And.
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Wayne: I'm just going to
pick the right answer.
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That's what he did last time,
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Dave: But it's true.
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If you do what.
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You know is right.
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Ultimately, we stand before a judge,
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judge
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Chris: And God, the father and
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amen.
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I
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Dave: don't want to stand before him
and not have done the wrong thing.
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All right, I had done the wrong
thing, And So I think doing
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the right thing, you can't.
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eat.
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That's it now.
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Wayne: Does
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Dave: make it easy No.
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And do I understand if someone
didn't do the right thing.
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A hundred percent.
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But doing the right
things doing right thing.
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Chris: Absolutely.
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Galatians 5:16 tells us.
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But I say walk by the spirit and you will
not gratify the desires of the flesh.
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For the desires
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of the flesh are against the spirit.
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And.
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the desires of the spirit.
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or.
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against the flesh.
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Dave: There you go.
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It's turmoil.
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It's.
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we're constantly in a sin battle.
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I think we talked about this a little bit,
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Chris: Absolutely.
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Are.
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Dave: Sin at its core is
it's the Greek word home RTA.
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Which means missing the mark.
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And
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Chris: I love that.
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Love that.
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Wayne: Hey.
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Dave: Yeah, it's an archery term, Chris.
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And it's based on, when you don't
hit the targets straight on you,
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miss the, you miss the point
you've sent and messing God.
620
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Hey.
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Wayne's over there.
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acting like, he's going
to shoot an arrow at me.
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Can you please stop him?
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Grow up Wayne, come
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Chris: not putting an apple on your head.
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Don't even think that.
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Dave: Yeah, but.
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But it's really important to
understand anything that's not God.
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and you're messing the point.
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at sin.
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And I think we try and justify.
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it so well.
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it's not a bad bag.
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Cause I'm trusting my heart was right.
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And I even said that in the beginning,
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Chris: did.
637
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Yes.
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Dave: ultimately if your heart is that of
Christ Jesus, then your heart is right.
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Chris: Absolutely.
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I come
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Dave: from a point of view or my
heart's right, because I'm loving Jesus.
642
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Chris: Yes.
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Dave: Does that make sense?
644
00:17:59,678 --> 00:18:02,301
And so I need to do the right
thing because I love Jesus.
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And doing that is what he's given
me here on this earth to do.
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Does that make
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Chris: sense?
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That's beautiful.
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Dave: Ladies and gentlemen, thank you.
650
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All right.
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Chris: Anything else?
652
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I think we've covered it.
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All
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Dave: Let me close with this then.
655
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Sorry.
656
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there was a little blank.
657
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There
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Chris: you can fix that
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Dave: later.
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All right.
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00:18:18,927 --> 00:18:20,067
Colossians three 12 says
662
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Chris: this.
663
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you can just start.
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Dave: I'm really confused.
665
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All right.
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Collage is.
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Oh, three 12 says this,
therefore, as God's chosen.
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Chosen ones.
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Holy and dearly love.
670
00:18:33,767 --> 00:18:37,157
Put on compassion, kindness,
humility, gentleness, and patience.
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00:18:37,547 --> 00:18:39,737
Bearing with one another
forgiving one another.
672
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And if anyone has a grievance against
one another, just as the Lord has
673
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forgiven you, you also forgive.
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00:18:45,827 --> 00:18:51,647
Them above all put on love, which
is the perfect bond of unity.
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and let the peace of Christ.
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to which you are also called in one
body and one heart and be thankful.
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00:18:58,637 --> 00:19:01,067
But the word of Christ dwell
in you richly among you.
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00:19:01,247 --> 00:19:02,237
That's it right there.
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00:19:02,547 --> 00:19:04,167
There's a lot more to that.
680
00:19:04,167 --> 00:19:09,207
but the goal is simply
this am I living out?
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00:19:09,627 --> 00:19:11,007
My Christian walk.
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00:19:11,067 --> 00:19:14,083
My Christ centerdness, that's,
we are Christians, which is
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basically as Christ, DNS.
684
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what's what we are.
685
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that's What we do.
686
00:19:17,833 --> 00:19:20,323
And this Christian life
can be summed up in that.
687
00:19:20,323 --> 00:19:24,701
And go back and read that Colossians three
could read the whole part 12 through 17.
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00:19:24,911 --> 00:19:27,731
I cut it short, but read that
whole thing because it's really
689
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important that you understand.
690
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you are chosen.
691
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You are loved and you
are called to be better.
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00:19:33,431 --> 00:19:37,631
And as Christian leaders,
I challenge you to do that.
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00:19:37,811 --> 00:19:38,741
Can I get an amen?
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00:19:38,861 --> 00:19:39,671
Chris: Amen.
695
00:19:39,731 --> 00:19:40,181
Wayne: Amen.
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00:19:40,421 --> 00:19:41,201
Dave: Have a great week.
697
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Goodbye, everybody.
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