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00;00;18;10 - 00;00;20;20 This is Lead: 12:12 00;00;20;21 - 00;00;25;19 A podcast on Christ centered leadership based on Romans: 1212 00;00;25;23 - 00;00;29;25 rejoice in hope, be patient tribulation, the constant and prayer. 00;00;30;05 - 00;00;32;19 Thanks for listening! Here's Dave and Chris. 00;00;32;28 - 00;00;34;07 Hey, everybody! 00;00;34;07 - 00;00;36;25 Welcome to lead: 1212 00;00;36;25 - 00;00;40;27 We've got a new guest that we're excited to talk to today. 00;00;40;27 - 00;00;42;15 Chris, tell us all about our guest. 00;00;42;15 - 00;00;44;24 I am very excited to introduce this guest. 00;00;44;25 - 00;00;48;04 You may remember her from TV series like Beverly Hills. 00;00;48;04 - 00;00;50;13 90 210, The Wayans Brothers. 00;00;50;24 - 00;00;53;04 Or maybe you saw her on the Easter experience. 00;00;53;04 - 00;00;55;11 If you live in Kentucky, you definitely remember her 00;00;55;11 - 00;00;57;04 from the local traveler friends. 00;00;57;04 - 00;01;00;15 It's my pleasure to introduce a very talented Miss Amy Hess. 00;01;00;23 - 00;01;02;16 Amy, thanks for joining us. 00;01;02;16 - 00;01;04;14 Hi, thank you so much for having me. 00;01;04;14 - 00;01;06;11 I'm feel totally honored to be here. 00;01;06;11 - 00;01;08;16 We're glad to have you. Thanks for joining us. 00;01;08;20 - 00;01;10;29 So I've got a question I want to start right off with. 00;01;10;29 - 00;01;14;17 Can you tell me what it was like to play Mary Magdalene in the Easter experience? 00;01;14;27 - 00;01;18;10 Oh, goodness, that was such a gift. 00;01;18;11 - 00;01;23;04 Honestly, I felt, you know, although I couldn't relate to all of her 00;01;23;04 - 00;01;28;12 story personally, it just really helped kind of kind of flesh out 00;01;28;12 - 00;01;31;29 more of the Bible in a way that I just felt so connected to. 00;01;31;29 - 00;01;32;21 I mean, they're just 00;01;33;25 - 00;01;36;03 reading about Jesus 00;01;36;03 - 00;01;40;11 on the cross and being whipped and then being there and feeling those things 00;01;40;11 - 00;01;43;26 and seeing those things and living through that was 00;01;45;04 - 00;01;50;11 such a gift for my own personal walk and just my own connection to Jesus. 00;01;50;12 - 00;01;54;25 And so I just felt so much fuller to me to have experienced that. 00;01;54;25 - 00;01;56;06 So it was such a blessing. 00;01;56;06 - 00;01;57;03 And I am 00;01;57;03 - 00;02;01;12 I feel so honored that they even, you know, is being very pigment challenged. 00;02;02;21 - 00;02;05;17 I felt very honored 00;02;06;04 - 00;02;06;20 as that. 00;02;06;20 - 00;02;11;09 And so being able to just totally transform into someone else and 00;02;11;26 - 00;02;13;12 was just such a gift to, you know, 00;02;13;12 - 00;02;15;13 that was something that happens outside of Hollywood. 00;02;15;13 - 00;02;16;17 It wouldn't have happened there. 00;02;16;17 - 00;02;20;28 So it was definitely I felt very it was just a blessing. 00;02;21;10 - 00;02;23;10 So how do you prepare for something like that? 00;02;23;10 - 00;02;29;25 Well, a lot of prayer and just really, I think immersing yourself in it 00;02;29;25 - 00;02;34;15 so that you really try to understand what that must feel like. 00;02;34;15 - 00;02;36;11 And I think that's, you know, that's that's 00;02;36;11 - 00;02;39;17 the thing that connects all of us is this humanness, the human condition. 00;02;39;17 - 00;02;43;12 So it's just trying to really put yourself in someone else's shoes to say, 00;02;43;12 - 00;02;44;11 what would that feel like? 00;02;44;11 - 00;02;49;04 Let me feel those feelings and let me try to connect 00;02;49;16 - 00;02;53;18 in a way that will be the kind of a vessel for other people. 00;02;53;19 - 00;02;55;28 Oh yeah, those feelings and feel those things? 00;02;56;02 - 00;02;57;25 Absolutely. That's awesome. 00;02;57;25 - 00;02;59;24 Hey, Amy, I'm Dave. 00;02;59;24 - 00;03;02;16 Tell us a little bit about your salvation story. 00;03;02;29 - 00;03;05;28 So I grew up in a Christian home, 00;03;06;18 - 00;03;09;29 but it wasn't really until I went to California at 18 00;03;10;03 - 00;03;14;00 that I experienced kind of what Oswald Chambers calls a white funeral. 00;03;14;01 - 00;03;16;26 This is this idea that, you know, you're essentially like, 00;03;16;29 - 00;03;18;08 you're dying to yourself. 00;03;18;08 - 00;03;20;23 It's the death of your old life. Right? 00;03;20;23 - 00;03;23;16 And so, you know, I lived in the Bible belt. 00;03;23;20 - 00;03;26;24 I went to church, but my faith was super compartmentalized. 00;03;26;24 - 00;03;28;10 It was kind of like, Well, I did on Sunday, 00;03;28;10 - 00;03;30;21 and then I walked away, and I don't really think about it. 00;03;30;21 - 00;03;35;08 And so sure, when you live in L.A., you really have to be on fire. 00;03;35;08 - 00;03;38;22 At least for me, I felt like it was really hard to kind of sleepwalk 00;03;38;22 - 00;03;39;07 through that. 00;03;39;07 - 00;03;45;08 So I think being on fire, it made me really want to kind of permeate 00;03;45;08 - 00;03;48;16 every part of my body, like, let's let's get all the nooks and crannies 00;03;48;16 - 00;03;52;12 in there and get Christ to be kind of intermingled and all of that. 00;03;52;12 - 00;03;52;29 Hey, man, know 00;03;52;29 - 00;03;57;07 that it's not just one part of my life, it's the fullness of who I am. 00;03;58;00 - 00;04;00;11 So I didn't have like a road to Damascus. 00;04;00;11 - 00;04;04;01 Conversion is like I'm a completely different person, but 00;04;04;14 - 00;04;06;11 there was a point that I can look back to 00;04;06;11 - 00;04;08;06 and say, This is really when this happened. 00;04;08;06 - 00;04;10;00 This was when the rubber hits the road. 00;04;10;00 - 00;04;10;15 And I was like, 00;04;10;15 - 00;04;14;13 I've got to figure out what I'm doing because I'm out here by myself. 00;04;14;16 - 00;04;16;24 I'm 18. I don't know anybody. 00;04;16;24 - 00;04;18;03 And it's a scary place. 00;04;18;03 - 00;04;20;05 And really the catalyst was anxiety. 00;04;20;05 - 00;04;24;16 I think that's what God used for me so that I could get to the end of myself. 00;04;24;17 - 00;04;27;18 Wow. I needed to reach out for God, but 00;04;27;18 - 00;04;31;20 I wasn't going to do that, so I got to the end of all my own resources. Wow. 00;04;32;01 - 00;04;33;17 That's that's a beautiful way. 00;04;33;17 - 00;04;35;26 Sometimes God can use anxiety. That's wonderful. 00;04;35;28 - 00;04;37;24 So Amy, what are you passionate about? 00;04;37;24 - 00;04;40;04 And the first thing that comes to mind is authenticity. 00;04;40;07 - 00;04;44;26 You know, I feel like wanting that kind of authentic relationship, just thoughts. 00;04;44;27 - 00;04;45;19 It's like the human 00;04;45;19 - 00;04;49;05 condition of authenticity, I guess kind of the way those inner intersect. 00;04;49;26 - 00;04;52;21 I see that common thread just kind of through my career 00;04;53;08 - 00;04;57;03 being attracted to acting, of course, you know, wanting to be authentic 00;04;57;03 - 00;04;59;28 and how I'm relating these people and their stories. 00;05;00;06 - 00;05;03;14 But then as a producer to just wanting to make sure 00;05;03;14 - 00;05;07;14 that I am connecting the audience with people that I'm talking to 00;05;07;20 - 00;05;10;29 and kind of make sure that they have this authenticity that's shown. 00;05;11;08 - 00;05;14;17 So I really like telling stories in a way that just connects people. 00;05;14;17 - 00;05;17;22 And really, what I'm doing now with the bootcamp is connect. 00;05;17;26 - 00;05;18;14 With women 00;05;18;14 - 00;05;21;20 and trying to make sure that I'm understanding where they're coming from 00;05;21;20 - 00;05;24;21 and that I'm real about expectations for help 00;05;24;24 - 00;05;26;20 and kind of how they can be in better health. 00;05;26;20 - 00;05;30;20 So and letting them know that it's not about perfection, that's an illusion. 00;05;30;20 - 00;05;31;29 This is a work in progress. 00;05;31;29 - 00;05;36;20 And I think that relates back to our walk with Jesus and any man down perfectly. 00;05;36;20 - 00;05;39;27 This is we're all kind of just working and making progress. 00;05;40;03 - 00;05;41;15 Tell us more about your boot camp. 00;05;42;27 - 00;05;44;17 So it's an it's 00;05;44;17 - 00;05;48;27 an online boot camp, and we work with ladies to just try to help 00;05;48;27 - 00;05;53;06 them have better health, just with better nutritious eating and exercise. 00;05;53;07 - 00;05;56;12 We're more encouraging of kind of where they are and not like, 00;05;56;12 - 00;05;59;08 you need to be here or look this way, but more. 00;05;59;17 - 00;06;00;18 How do you feel? 00;06;00;18 - 00;06;03;11 You want more energy. You want to have better health. 00;06;03;12 - 00;06;05;02 Here are some ways that you can do that. 00;06;05;02 - 00;06;08;19 And today was a train wreck of a day that's going to happen. 00;06;08;19 - 00;06;10;01 It went off the rails. 00;06;10;01 - 00;06;13;19 Here's how you can get back on track, and here's how you can give yourself grace 00;06;13;28 - 00;06;17;02 because you you deserve to give yourself some grace. 00;06;17;02 - 00;06;18;19 You're not going to be perfect. 00;06;18;19 - 00;06;23;02 I actually find it's such an amazing ministry for me to pray with ladies. 00;06;23;02 - 00;06;25;01 Wonderful to pray for ladies. 00;06;25;01 - 00;06;28;02 Some of them are in a place where they they feel like 00;06;28;02 - 00;06;31;03 they're at the end of their rope, and I know what that feels like. Wow. 00;06;31;04 - 00;06;33;12 So how could someone sign up for that if they wanted to? 00;06;33;21 - 00;06;37;25 That is trim boot camp dot com so they can just go online and take a look at that. 00;06;38;12 - 00;06;39;05 Very good. 00;06;39;05 - 00;06;40;06 Awesome. 00;06;40;06 - 00;06;43;08 Hey, quick sidebar, have you watched the chosen? 00;06;43;08 - 00;06;45;15 Have you been able to see that yet? 00;06;45;15 - 00;06;47;20 Yes, and it's so wonderful. 00;06;47;21 - 00;06;49;27 I've really loved it at first, it kind of bothered me. 00;06;49;27 - 00;06;53;15 I will be honest because I just thought, this is not forever. 00;06;54;04 - 00;06;56;20 When we talk about authenticity, I was like, 00;06;56;20 - 00;06;57;27 they weren't talking like this. 00;06;57;27 - 00;07;00;06 No one was using these kind of phrases. 00;07;00;06 - 00;07;04;26 And so at first it irritated me was, this is this is a historically accurate, 00;07;04;26 - 00;07;05;13 you know? 00;07;05;17 - 00;07;08;15 But then my husband said, You have to think of it like the message. 00;07;08;21 - 00;07;11;23 And as soon as you said that, I went, Yep, you're right, this is the message, 00;07;11;23 - 00;07;12;20 and that's awesome. 00;07;12;20 - 00;07;16;28 And this makes it more relatable for people making something that they can 00;07;17;06 - 00;07;21;04 kind of understand and kind of just levels the playing field a little bit. 00;07;21;04 - 00;07;24;25 So then that the real message and heart and intent gets communicated 00;07;24;25 - 00;07;25;21 and that I loved it. 00;07;25;21 - 00;07;26;26 Yes, I get that. 00;07;26;26 - 00;07;27;19 I totally get that. 00;07;27;19 - 00;07;28;22 Eugene Peterson. 00;07;28;22 - 00;07;32;14 He's I love the message, but there are moments 00;07;32;14 - 00;07;35;09 that you have to make sure that it matches up and looks, 00;07;35;27 - 00;07;39;07 you know, like it's supposed to look like it usually always does for me 00;07;39;07 - 00;07;40;29 and just takes me a minute to figure it out. 00;07;40;29 - 00;07;45;07 I'm a little bit slower, so I thought I thought the chosen was good. 00;07;45;10 - 00;07;48;19 My favorite one was the woman at the well, that's always my favorite story 00;07;48;19 - 00;07;49;06 in the way they did. 00;07;49;06 - 00;07;51;12 That, I thought was pretty interesting. So. 00;07;52;00 - 00;07;54;19 So what is God calling you to stop? 00;07;55;11 - 00;07;59;03 So for me, it's self-reliance and so. 00;07;59;07 - 00;07;59;24 Interesting. 00;07;59;24 - 00;08;03;21 And that's probably why God used anxiety and I had to get into myself, right? 00;08;03;22 - 00;08;06;19 That's it's it's a sore spot for me. 00;08;07;07 - 00;08;09;08 I like to research. I like to problem solve. 00;08;09;08 - 00;08;12;00 I like to get in there and kind of fix it myself. 00;08;12;11 - 00;08;15;17 And so my first instinct is I can tell my own problems. 00;08;15;17 - 00;08;17;06 I'm going to get in there and figure it out. 00;08;17;06 - 00;08;20;07 And I consume information and I'm very analytical. 00;08;20;07 - 00;08;22;04 So it's like, I want to get in there and do it all. 00;08;22;04 - 00;08;25;10 And it's I have access to 00;08;25;10 - 00;08;28;04 the ultimate problem solver, 24-7. 00;08;28;10 - 00;08;33;19 Yet my first instinct is to rely on me like, I'm going to Google it instead of 00;08;33;19 - 00;08;37;10 go to the Bible, which is basically this Adobe space to Google, right? 00;08;37;11 - 00;08;38;14 Well, put. Yes. 00;08;40;02 - 00;08;41;13 So I have a 19 year old. 00;08;41;13 - 00;08;43;09 She struggles with anxiety, too. 00;08;43;09 - 00;08;46;24 And so like these, these teenagers that are going through 00;08;46;24 - 00;08;50;08 all the social stuff that we I didn't grow up with. 00;08;50;21 - 00;08;54;15 How would you talk to them to a 19 year old or 20 year old you? 00;08;54;19 - 00;08;58;17 Well, first of all, that perfection is an illusion that's not real. 00;08;58;25 - 00;09;00;10 You shouldn't even aim for that. 00;09;00;10 - 00;09;03;22 We're really trying to aim for for connecting with God, 00;09;03;24 - 00;09;07;22 living for him and loving others and telling others about Jesus. 00;09;07;22 - 00;09;10;15 And just, you know, it's progress. It's just trying. 00;09;10;15 - 00;09;11;23 That is that trajectory. 00;09;11;23 - 00;09;14;21 It's not like you've achieved this and you need to be perfect. 00;09;14;28 - 00;09;18;03 And actually, that it's in this took a while 00;09;18;04 - 00;09;22;04 took me to be at the age that I am now to understand that 00;09;22;04 - 00;09;26;20 actually weakness is more attractive and being real is more attractive. 00;09;26;25 - 00;09;28;26 Being authentic is more attracted to people 00;09;28;26 - 00;09;32;15 because people can't relate to you if you're perfect. 00;09;32;21 - 00;09;34;02 I mean, no, it's not real. 00;09;34;02 - 00;09;36;27 But even if it was, that's not attractive to people. 00;09;36;27 - 00;09;40;29 People don't want to follow Jesus because you're perfect. 00;09;41;08 - 00;09;44;15 People will want to follow Jesus because you're struggling, 00;09;44;15 - 00;09;48;27 because you're imperfect, because you know where to go to be made whole. 00;09;48;28 - 00;09;50;04 Right? Absolutely. 00;09;50;04 - 00;09;55;19 So I would definitely say, you know, don't don't aim for perfection and then don't 00;09;55;19 - 00;09;59;22 compare your behind the scenes real to everyone else's highlight reel. 00;10;00;11 - 00;10;03;10 You know, social media is all it's all the highlight reel. 00;10;03;10 - 00;10;04;27 It's like your sizzle reel, right? 00;10;04;27 - 00;10;07;02 Yeah, all your best stuff out there. 00;10;07;09 - 00;10;10;25 But then you're looking at all of that that you know, you're behind the scenes 00;10;10;25 - 00;10;13;13 stuff all the times you flubbed line or that you 00;10;13;24 - 00;10;16;19 that you messed up or that you were hitting your mark or 00;10;16;27 - 00;10;20;17 or that just real stuff happened that was really hard and terrible. 00;10;20;21 - 00;10;24;00 And you're comparing that with their best highlights. 00;10;24;01 - 00;10;25;13 I mean, it's not really fair. 00;10;25;13 - 00;10;26;08 That's so true. 00;10;26;08 - 00;10;28;01 And that happens all the time, too. 00;10;28;01 - 00;10;31;02 Say, OK, I'm going to ask you the opposite of what I just ask you, Amy. 00;10;31;02 - 00;10;33;05 What is God calling you to start? 00;10;33;05 - 00;10;36;20 OK, so I feel like in the same vein where I'm quick 00;10;36;20 - 00;10;40;07 to just jump in and be the driver of the vehicle. 00;10;40;22 - 00;10;43;24 I feel like what I need to start doing more is praying first. 00;10;44;02 - 00;10;47;02 So and the reason why is because wanting 00;10;47;02 - 00;10;50;11 to learn things and learning and reading and all that stuff is great, right? 00;10;50;11 - 00;10;52;24 I think, you know, amassing the knowledge and consuming all. 00;10;52;24 - 00;10;54;02 That's awesome. 00;10;54;07 - 00;10;55;25 But where is it growing from? 00;10;55;25 - 00;10;59;22 Is it growing out of a self reliance or is it growing out of something 00;10;59;22 - 00;11;00;26 God centered? 00;11;00;26 - 00;11;03;18 And so I feel like praying first 00;11;03;23 - 00;11;07;05 would help to make sure that my postures in the right position 00;11;07;05 - 00;11;12;10 so that it would set the tone for being God centered and it would take 00;11;12;10 - 00;11;15;24 the emphasis off me being the one that's in power to solve my problem. 00;11;15;26 - 00;11;18;09 I love that. That is wonderful advice. Wow. 00;11;18;28 - 00;11;21;13 So kind of going along with that, 00;11;21;13 - 00;11;25;01 how do you guard yourself against sin against falling against? 00;11;25;10 - 00;11;27;11 I think you've kind of named it throughout 00;11;27;11 - 00;11;29;16 all everything we've already talked about. 00;11;29;16 - 00;11;32;15 But what are some things that you use to kind of help you get through it? 00;11;32;26 - 00;11;37;07 Well, you know, being a student of God's word is is a good one. 00;11;37;07 - 00;11;40;12 I'm in Bible Fellowship and I love it, and I feel like 00;11;40;12 - 00;11;43;16 we have this instruction manual for life, right? 00;11;43;16 - 00;11;45;02 So using that? 00;11;45;02 - 00;11;46;08 That's a great one, 00;11;46;08 - 00;11;50;18 then I think the other one would be accountability, having relationships that 00;11;50;18 - 00;11;55;10 are ongoing with people who are honest and have God honoring relationships, 00;11;55;14 - 00;11;59;02 they can speak into your lives and see things that you can't always see. 00;11;59;02 - 00;12;01;24 And so making sure that you have those people helps. 00;12;01;24 - 00;12;05;19 And I and I think for my part, it has to be I can't be above reproach, 00;12;05;19 - 00;12;05;26 right? 00;12;05;26 - 00;12;09;10 I have to be willing to know that I'm going to mess up. 00;12;09;11 - 00;12;12;06 And, you know, we're all sinners. We all fall short. 00;12;12;06 - 00;12;16;06 So you can't be so enamored with yourself to think that you're above sin 00;12;16;06 - 00;12;18;09 because that's exactly where the enemy wants us. 00;12;18;13 - 00;12;22;07 As soon as we see this, we think that it's not going to happen to us. 00;12;22;13 - 00;12;23;18 That's when it will. 00;12;23;18 - 00;12;26;17 He will strike because pride comes before the fall, 00;12;26;18 - 00;12;30;06 so I think you have to be able to be spoken to too. 00;12;30;10 - 00;12;32;10 Absolutely. Amen. 00;12;32;10 - 00;12;35;18 You know, from time to time, we all have to have difficult conversations 00;12;35;18 - 00;12;37;10 and that can really be trying. 00;12;37;10 - 00;12;40;21 What do you do to make sure that a difficult conversation stays productive? 00;12;40;26 - 00;12;44;28 So for this, I think I have to really I have to start 00;12;44;28 - 00;12;49;17 by differentiating from where I am and where God is in the situation. 00;12;49;17 - 00;12;53;06 And what I mean by that is I coming from a place of God's love? 00;12;53;18 - 00;12;57;21 Or am I operating out of my own kind of shallow pool of humanness, right? 00;12;57;23 - 00;12;59;03 Because that's there, 00;12;59;03 - 00;13;00;10 and that's going to get in the way 00;13;00;10 - 00;13;03;12 and compete for coming from a God centered place. 00;13;03;13 - 00;13;06;21 And so I've heard it said before that you'll never look into the eyes 00;13;06;21 - 00;13;08;21 of someone that God doesn't love. Amen. 00;13;08;21 - 00;13;12;15 And I think that's a great mindset and starting point for anything 00;13;12;15 - 00;13;15;18 because there's no way to have a productive conversation, to have a God 00;13;15;18 - 00;13;18;21 honoring conversation, particularly a difficult line 00;13;18;21 - 00;13;22;23 or a confrontational one without having that be the first step. 00;13;22;28 - 00;13;26;20 So it's just that remembering and just kind of reminding yourself 00;13;26;20 - 00;13;29;17 that that person you're talking to is made in the image of God, 00;13;29;22 - 00;13;32;14 and he loves that person just as much as he loves you. 00;13;32;22 - 00;13;36;27 I think if you can start there, then that's a great, great starting point. 00;13;37;07 - 00;13;38;23 Actually, man, that's beautiful there. 00;13;38;23 - 00;13;42;07 A character in the Bible that you relate to more than others, maybe, 00;13;42;07 - 00;13;44;14 or someone that you kind of go to every once in a while. 00;13;44;24 - 00;13;46;27 You know, rehab comes to mind a lot. 00;13;46;27 - 00;13;49;21 And the reason I like her is not necessarily because I relate to her 00;13;49;29 - 00;13;52;11 or Mary Magdalene, but those two come to mind most 00;13;52;25 - 00;13;57;25 because I feel like now more than ever this this last season. 00;13;57;25 - 00;14;01;22 With all this stuff going on, I felt very alone. 00;14;01;22 - 00;14;04;05 I just felt like I was going against the grain all the time. 00;14;04;06 - 00;14;08;12 I mean, I feel like I was never, never going the same direction as anyone else. 00;14;08;13 - 00;14;11;18 It was just like, no matter what community I was in or whatever, it was like, 00;14;11;20 - 00;14;13;24 Oh, I kind of I see things different. 00;14;13;24 - 00;14;16;11 I feel like maybe we've lost sight 00;14;16;11 - 00;14;19;20 of what's important and what we're doing and how to comes from this 00;14;19;20 - 00;14;20;14 place of love and. 00;14;20;14 - 00;14;23;12 And so it was kind of a lonely season, really. 00;14;23;13 - 00;14;28;14 And so this idea of in really the chosen kind of talks about this, this idea 00;14;28;14 - 00;14;31;22 of doing it differently, seeing things differently , being different. 00;14;32;00 - 00;14;36;11 And when I think about the Bible and and back in those days, 00;14;36;11 - 00;14;38;29 the Pharisees and all of that and it was different, 00;14;38;29 - 00;14;41;04 Jesus is different the way desert is different. 00;14;41;04 - 00;14;44;29 We're never going to understand how he's going to do, and we can't begin to think 00;14;44;29 - 00;14;48;17 that we know how he's going to intercede or how he's going to act. 00;14;48;17 - 00;14;53;22 And so I feel like Rahab was totally unique and different choice 00;14;53;22 - 00;14;57;01 for how to get in there and kind of save the day. 00;14;57;01 - 00;15;01;07 And so we would have thought that it would be someone that was in this high, 00;15;01;07 - 00;15;05;14 powerful position or that they would be the most holy of holies. 00;15;05;19 - 00;15;09;13 And yet God got in there all the time and use these people who you would 00;15;09;13 - 00;15;13;18 never have thought would be the ones that could be used and would be used. 00;15;13;18 - 00;15;14;09 And so I don't know. 00;15;14;09 - 00;15;17;02 I like that that idea that it's different than you think. 00;15;17;21 - 00;15;19;18 That's amazing. I do, too. 00;15;19;18 - 00;15;24;15 God always surprises me with those songs and who he uses, even when he uses me. 00;15;24;17 - 00;15;25;29 And there you go. 00;15;25;29 - 00;15;28;26 Tell me about Tell me about some of the trophies behind you there. 00;15;28;27 - 00;15;30;03 Oh gosh. 00;15;30;07 - 00;15;33;02 There are some, some Emmys couple tallies, 00;15;33;02 - 00;15;36;26 and there's some awards from when I worked at Katy. 00;15;36;26 - 00;15;40;05 So those were television based awards. 00;15;40;12 - 00;15;42;18 You really like talking about yourself, don't you? 00;15;42;24 - 00;15;43;17 No, she does. 00;15;44;22 - 00;15;45;09 It's easy. 00;15;45;09 - 00;15;48;26 It's like. Oh, no, I'm sorry about that. 00;15;48;26 - 00;15;51;15 I saw I was like, Oh, I better take that one back. 00;15;51;18 - 00;15;52;20 I'm sorry. 00;15;52;20 - 00;15;54;26 Hey, you know, it's pretty impressive. 00;15;55;10 - 00;15;56;26 Yeah. That's amazing. 00;15;56;26 - 00;15;59;11 Any chance we'll see more local travel or anytime soon? 00;15;59;15 - 00;16;00;05 I don't know. 00;16;00;05 - 00;16;03;16 You know, there was a time there where I felt like 00;16;03;16 - 00;16;07;13 I started to kind of realize I wanted to pivot a little bit. 00;16;07;13 - 00;16;11;17 I mean, the whole purpose of wanting to the local traveler was I felt like these 00;16;11;17 - 00;16;15;01 mom and pop shops were not getting enough marketing 00;16;15;01 - 00;16;16;22 because they just didn't have the money to do it. 00;16;16;22 - 00;16;20;17 And it was hard to compete with Wal-Mart and McDonald's and against those places 00;16;20;23 - 00;16;22;15 love those places too. Right. 00;16;22;15 - 00;16;24;03 But there's, you know, you want, 00;16;24;03 - 00;16;26;11 you want the mom and pop places to survive as well. 00;16;26;11 - 00;16;30;19 And so what really was the catalyst for that was just wanting to make sure 00;16;30;19 - 00;16;33;28 that those people had a voice and that we could invest in people 00;16;33;28 - 00;16;37;04 in our own community and really help keep those businesses afloat. 00;16;37;04 - 00;16;39;19 So that was great and that went on for several seasons. 00;16;39;19 - 00;16;41;15 And then I thought, you know, 00;16;41;15 - 00;16;44;29 I really feel like we don't concentrate enough on. 00;16;45;02 - 00;16;46;09 The good stuff out there, 00;16;46;09 - 00;16;49;08 and so then I thought, I want to do this show called Common Good. 00;16;49;19 - 00;16;52;27 And so I started to really kind of work towards that before I decided to 00;16;53;03 - 00;16;54;12 take a break altogether. 00;16;54;12 - 00;16;57;19 But if I were to come back, I'd want to do something about that. 00;16;57;19 - 00;17;03;22 Just the stories of of again, people and being the kind of human condition 00;17;03;22 - 00;17;05;01 and where we're all connecting 00;17;05;01 - 00;17;09;02 and where there's goodness out there, it's just not amplified as much. 00;17;09;02 - 00;17;11;13 So I just shined on it. 00;17;11;20 - 00;17;15;01 And so we hear about all the negative and all the bad stuff that's going 00;17;15;01 - 00;17;18;03 on, but there's so much more good than we realize. 00;17;18;09 - 00;17;19;24 So true. 00;17;19;24 - 00;17;21;07 So I've got another question for you 00;17;21;07 - 00;17;24;26 what are the most important nuts and bolts life lesson you can give me. 00;17;25;09 - 00;17;27;23 About the big questions? 00;17;27;23 - 00;17;29;21 I'm not sure that I have like. 00;17;29;21 - 00;17;31;02 You got five minutes or so. 00;17;33;07 - 00;17;36;07 But the thing that came to the gate comes to mind. 00;17;36;07 - 00;17;37;15 That's at least recent, right? 00;17;37;15 - 00;17;40;26 Something recent that I feel like it's been a good lesson is just 00;17;41;26 - 00;17;43;28 this idea that we need to stay humble 00;17;44;17 - 00;17;48;18 on four as as much as we do know, both on an individual level 00;17;48;18 - 00;17;49;25 and just as a group right? 00;17;49;25 - 00;17;53;20 And even as a group, as Christians, there's so much more that we don't know. 00;17;53;21 - 00;17;56;22 And so we kind of have to approach things from that posture. 00;17;56;22 - 00;18;02;13 I feel like we we we have this source for divine inspiration and all knowledge. 00;18;02;13 - 00;18;04;17 And so we don't need to feel hopeless about it. 00;18;04;27 - 00;18;07;15 But I think we need to know that we don't know it 00;18;07;15 - 00;18;10;24 and we need to remain humble and we need to admit that we don't know. 00;18;10;27 - 00;18;15;05 So because humility means that you're not impressed so much with yourself 00;18;15;15 - 00;18;19;22 and you're relying on another power, it's not in your own power. 00;18;19;22 - 00;18;23;28 And so you know you're more likely to turn to God when you really understand 00;18;24;03 - 00;18;27;12 kind of how small you are in the grand scheme of things. 00;18;27;21 - 00;18;30;20 Plus that whole knowledge thing that really didn't work out so well 00;18;30;20 - 00;18;31;10 for Adam and Eve. 00;18;31;10 - 00;18;34;05 So I figure, you know. And there you go. 00;18;34;17 - 00;18;35;21 Good point. True. 00;18;36;22 - 00;18;37;14 So is there 00;18;37;14 - 00;18;40;22 anything you just want to share with this leadership wise 00;18;40;22 - 00;18;44;16 or maybe advice about being a mom or family anything? 00;18;44;16 - 00;18;48;02 You just want to jump in and tell us some good insight on. 00;18;48;05 - 00;18;50;15 At first, when you know, when I was thinking 00;18;50;15 - 00;18;52;19 about Christian leadership, I was really hesitant. 00;18;52;23 - 00;18;53;24 This, you know, I was like, 00;18;53;24 - 00;18;57;00 I don't know if if I'm really the right person to do this. 00;18;57;01 - 00;19;01;05 So but as I sat with it longer, I realized that we're all a little Christ, right? 00;19;01;05 - 00;19;03;03 That's Christians, these little Christ. 00;19;03;03 - 00;19;07;28 And so we're all really called lead, and we're all called to lead others to Christ. 00;19;08;02 - 00;19;10;07 And that is our main. That's the main mission, right? 00;19;10;07 - 00;19;13;00 So when I thought about that and I thought that, OK, 00;19;13;00 - 00;19;15;23 and we're all part of the body, we all have different roles 00;19;15;23 - 00;19;17;21 and different ways that we're going to do that. 00;19;17;21 - 00;19;21;23 But collectively and individually, we need to be calling others to Christ. 00;19;21;23 - 00;19;23;28 We need to be leading others to Christ. 00;19;24;00 - 00;19;24;24 Amen. 00;19;24;24 - 00;19;27;13 And it's going to look different than the way that the world 00;19;27;13 - 00;19;28;24 would think of leadership, right? 00;19;28;24 - 00;19;30;14 You're thinking Jesus servant leader. 00;19;30;14 - 00;19;33;26 I mean, this is totally like the upside down thing. 00;19;33;26 - 00;19;36;10 And so so when I thought about it like that, I felt more comfortable. 00;19;36;10 - 00;19;39;22 And I think that's why this podcast is so valuable for your listeners, too. 00;19;39;22 - 00;19;43;24 Is that because we're all called elite learning how to do that effectively 00;19;44;01 - 00;19;47;06 and learning how to do that from a place of love is so important. 00;19;47;14 - 00;19;49;15 Amen. 100%. Amen. 00;19;49;25 - 00;19;51;01 So I know your time important. 00;19;51;01 - 00;19;53;00 I've got one last question for you, Amy. 00;19;53;00 - 00;19;55;02 What's your biggest praise for God? 00;19;55;02 - 00;19;58;27 My biggest praise for God would be that he turns everything. 00;19;58;28 - 00;20;02;20 All the mistakes, all the mistakes, all the things that you would think were 00;20;02;24 - 00;20;06;06 were bad or negative and to good for his purpose. 00;20;06;16 - 00;20;08;08 And so I just think that's really amazing. 00;20;08;08 - 00;20;11;16 When you think about it, it's kind of this this amazingly freeing 00;20;11;16 - 00;20;14;12 feeling to know that nothing is lost. 00;20;14;20 - 00;20;16;11 Nothing is hopeless. 00;20;16;11 - 00;20;17;06 When you're a believer, 00;20;17;06 - 00;20;20;27 you're walking in his will, he's going to turn all your mourning into dancing. 00;20;20;27 - 00;20;23;09 You know, he's going to finish the good work that you started in you. 00;20;23;18 - 00;20;25;24 It's always going to be a win 00;20;25;24 - 00;20;29;17 because he can bestow a crown of beauty from ashes, right? 00;20;29;17 - 00;20;30;01 So, yes. 00;20;30;01 - 00;20;32;26 So there's nothing that's lost there. I just love it. 00;20;32;26 - 00;20;37;07 Every every drop, every everything that you're going through. 00;20;37;15 - 00;20;39;17 He can turn that into something amazing. 00;20;39;19 - 00;20;40;29 And so I don't know. 00;20;40;29 - 00;20;43;03 That's just to me that just blows my mind. 00;20;43;06 - 00;20;45;04 Oh, it does. You know, it's so beautiful. 00;20;45;04 - 00;20;46;06 So beautiful. 00;20;46;06 - 00;20;47;01 Thank you so much. 00;20;47;01 - 00;20;49;28 Thank you so much. Oh, thank you. I am. 00;20;49;29 - 00;20;52;05 Thanks again for talking with me. It was really fun. 00;20;52;06 - 00;20;55;28 Oh, thanks for lightness, and thanks for just taking a few minutes out of your day. 00;20;55;29 - 00;20;58;14 We sure do appreciate it. 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