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0 00:00:02,540 --> 00:00:02,740 1 00:00:08,540 --> 00:00:08,750 2 00:00:17,540 --> 00:00:24,430 This is lead 12 12. A podcast on christ centered leadership based on romans. 3 00:00:24,440 --> 00:00:29,750 12 12, rejoice in hope, be patient tribulation, be constant in prayer. 4 00:00:30,140 --> 00:00:31,240 Thanks for listening. 5 00:00:31,250 --> 00:00:35,750 -- Here's Dave and chris, Hey -- Everybody, you're listening to lead 12, 12. 6 00:00:35,760 --> 00:00:39,760 Very excited. I'm gonna let Chris introduce our guests for you today. 7 00:00:40,140 --> 00:00:43,630 I am very excited to introduce a legend and mm 8 00:00:43,630 --> 00:00:47,750 a very talented coach and all around great guy, 9 00:00:47,760 --> 00:00:50,780 a Masonic brother and someone I like to call friend Pat Miletich. 10 00:00:50,780 --> 00:00:52,860 Just with us folks, Pat, thanks for joining. 11 00:00:53,130 --> 00:00:55,520 -- We're glad to have you -- Absolutely 12 00:00:56,220 --> 00:00:57,220 bars on my phone 13 00:00:59,340 --> 00:01:03,470 -- at a grocery store. There you go. Well, -- fantastic. 14 00:01:03,480 --> 00:01:06,220 -- So let me ask you, Pat, what really motivates -- you. 15 00:01:06,230 --> 00:01:07,240 Oh, you know, 16 00:01:07,240 --> 00:01:09,960 there's a lot of things I think that motivate me to be honest with you chris, 17 00:01:09,960 --> 00:01:13,520 I mean gravity motivates me to be honest with you getting out of bed Lovett, 18 00:01:13,530 --> 00:01:14,340 fighting gravity. 19 00:01:14,350 --> 00:01:18,960 -- You go love it, -- Trying to win that battle every day, number one. 20 00:01:19,040 --> 00:01:20,260 So it starts right away. 21 00:01:20,840 --> 00:01:23,750 But you know, my kids motivate me. My kids inspire me 22 00:01:25,140 --> 00:01:25,560 the, 23 00:01:25,940 --> 00:01:26,960 trying to 24 00:01:27,340 --> 00:01:28,360 I've just always had this 25 00:01:29,040 --> 00:01:29,760 gravitational 26 00:01:30,140 --> 00:01:31,160 all towards 27 00:01:31,940 --> 00:01:34,960 push whatever you wanna call it towards wanting to do something 28 00:01:35,640 --> 00:01:38,760 to help people, something of significance, whatever I can do and 29 00:01:39,440 --> 00:01:43,550 in life before before this thing's over and you know, it's, it's uh 30 00:01:44,240 --> 00:01:47,060 always trying to reach for the stars. There's a lot of strikeouts, 31 00:01:48,040 --> 00:01:49,770 you know, there's a lot of disappointment. 32 00:01:49,780 --> 00:01:53,500 I've always kind of been a home run hitter and I've struck out so many times. 33 00:01:53,500 --> 00:01:54,660 It's incredible. So 34 00:01:55,140 --> 00:01:59,360 you know, there it is what it is, but that's a great way to put that away. 35 00:01:59,840 --> 00:02:00,780 That's really good. 36 00:02:00,780 --> 00:02:04,500 That is a great way to put Bayberry struck out more than he hit home runs, 37 00:02:04,500 --> 00:02:05,860 but he had a lot of home runs. 38 00:02:05,870 --> 00:02:07,360 So there you go. 39 00:02:07,370 --> 00:02:10,440 Um as a mentor and coach Pat, 40 00:02:10,440 --> 00:02:12,700 how do you give criticism to someone 41 00:02:12,710 --> 00:02:15,500 without discouraging him without putting them down? 42 00:02:15,510 --> 00:02:18,860 Trying to lift him up but still telling them they're wrong. 43 00:02:20,340 --> 00:02:22,950 Uh same thing with kids. You know, when when uh 44 00:02:24,340 --> 00:02:26,870 you don't want to just say no, that's not how you do that. 45 00:02:27,340 --> 00:02:29,760 You know, it's it's you know what I can appreciate your effort. 46 00:02:29,770 --> 00:02:31,850 You're doing, you're doing this right, you're doing this right. 47 00:02:31,850 --> 00:02:33,550 But here let's try to work on this part. 48 00:02:34,140 --> 00:02:36,450 You know, stuff like that. You know, always try and say 49 00:02:37,340 --> 00:02:38,580 the part that they're doing right 50 00:02:38,820 --> 00:02:41,450 unless it's a kid that's about to stick their hand in the fire. 51 00:02:41,940 --> 00:02:43,950 Um you know, anything short of that, 52 00:02:44,340 --> 00:02:45,500 tell them what they're doing right. 53 00:02:45,510 --> 00:02:48,560 You know like or you can even I guess approach it like look I get it, 54 00:02:48,560 --> 00:02:50,800 your hands are cold but you probably don't want to do that. 55 00:02:50,810 --> 00:02:57,150 -- There you go. I -- got six kids. So that makes a lot of sense. I appreciate that 56 00:02:57,940 --> 00:02:58,860 -- we -- have, you know, 57 00:02:59,440 --> 00:03:02,760 -- I've got three girls that's all I needed. -- There you go. 58 00:03:02,770 --> 00:03:07,560 We adopted all ours but I got three girls and three boys. So we're the brady bunch. 59 00:03:07,570 --> 00:03:13,930 So thank you sir. Thank you. So let me follow up on that as a coach. 60 00:03:13,930 --> 00:03:17,110 -- What's the best way to call out? Continual sloppy -- work. 61 00:03:17,120 --> 00:03:17,680 Um, 62 00:03:17,680 --> 00:03:19,640 put them with really good people that will either 63 00:03:19,640 --> 00:03:21,360 make them better or they're going to quit. 64 00:03:22,270 --> 00:03:23,320 That's good. 65 00:03:24,240 --> 00:03:25,760 If people, if people just don't, 66 00:03:26,240 --> 00:03:29,360 I guess I said, I didn't even remember that. I said it, but one of my, 67 00:03:30,440 --> 00:03:32,750 one of my affiliate schools, 68 00:03:33,440 --> 00:03:35,150 Sandy Bowman from Canada 69 00:03:35,640 --> 00:03:37,650 painted on the wall in his gym. 70 00:03:38,240 --> 00:03:39,180 That said, 71 00:03:39,640 --> 00:03:43,960 we show how much about yourself by the work ethic that you put in. It was the cloak. 72 00:03:44,440 --> 00:03:46,560 And I didn't remember saying that, but 73 00:03:46,940 --> 00:03:48,650 sounds like something I'd say when I was, 74 00:03:49,140 --> 00:03:51,960 you know, maybe chewing somebody for. And I, 75 00:03:52,640 --> 00:03:55,560 I remember, I didn't remember saying this until my, 76 00:03:55,560 --> 00:03:57,130 one of my fighters reminded me of this. 77 00:03:57,130 --> 00:03:58,060 Well as well, 78 00:03:58,540 --> 00:04:01,860 Mike says in 11, she's got a very successful gym in Colorado Springs. 79 00:04:02,240 --> 00:04:04,560 He fought in new york C and I fl and 80 00:04:04,570 --> 00:04:08,450 amazing black belt in Brazilian jiu just who was also 81 00:04:08,840 --> 00:04:14,360 was a wrestler on the out east for a university out east 82 00:04:14,840 --> 00:04:16,399 and uh, 83 00:04:16,410 --> 00:04:18,339 he was complaining one day and I didn't 84 00:04:18,339 --> 00:04:20,560 remember saying this to anybody laughs about it. 85 00:04:20,570 --> 00:04:23,550 Still he will talk about it every time I see. 86 00:04:23,560 --> 00:04:27,860 And uh, I had been pouring concrete for four or five years 87 00:04:28,440 --> 00:04:31,760 and then bartending and bouncing at night while I was training for fights, 88 00:04:31,760 --> 00:04:33,760 I'd find a couple hours in between jobs 89 00:04:34,440 --> 00:04:37,520 to go to the gym and train and then once I got a little better, 90 00:04:37,520 --> 00:04:40,460 I could put one job and then I got better and put another job. 91 00:04:40,460 --> 00:04:41,960 I was making more money fighting. 92 00:04:42,340 --> 00:04:43,400 Then I eventually be able, 93 00:04:43,540 --> 00:04:45,690 I was able to quit pouring concrete as well 94 00:04:45,700 --> 00:04:47,560 because that was my main income at the time. 95 00:04:48,240 --> 00:04:53,160 He was complaining one day about being fatigued or whatever it was, 96 00:04:53,640 --> 00:04:59,660 and I said, hey man, you can go for concrete if you want, you can leave right now, 97 00:05:00,340 --> 00:05:04,720 -- go out there and go out there for concrete and see how you like that. That's -- not easy. 98 00:05:04,730 --> 00:05:07,150 It's not, 99 00:05:07,640 --> 00:05:10,090 I will say one thing about pouring concrete because we were 100 00:05:10,090 --> 00:05:13,360 doing a lot of flat work and a lot of highways. 101 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:16,060 So a lot of those giant steel highway forms 102 00:05:16,540 --> 00:05:17,160 and 103 00:05:17,540 --> 00:05:20,060 you know, running jackhammers and sledgehammers? 104 00:05:20,540 --> 00:05:23,150 So you get strong, I mean, you're just gonna get strong, 105 00:05:23,540 --> 00:05:26,530 throwing people around pretty easy when you're, 106 00:05:26,540 --> 00:05:29,150 when you're training for fights doing concrete all day here, 107 00:05:30,140 --> 00:05:32,510 -- pretty capable of throwing stuff around, -- Love it. 108 00:05:32,520 --> 00:05:37,510 I'm just gonna make sure that I'm your friend, both of you guys scare me a little bit. 109 00:05:37,510 --> 00:05:38,360 That's all right. 110 00:05:38,740 --> 00:05:44,130 So, next question, is it important to make someone feel appreciated and if so, 111 00:05:44,140 --> 00:05:45,500 how do you go about doing that? 112 00:05:45,510 --> 00:05:47,350 How do you, how does that work for you? 113 00:05:48,740 --> 00:05:50,310 You know, nobody's perfect at that. 114 00:05:50,320 --> 00:05:52,630 And I've I've struck out numerous times in 115 00:05:52,630 --> 00:05:55,360 terms of making people feel appreciated and stuff. 116 00:05:55,840 --> 00:05:58,850 I think I've gotten more in tune with that sort of thing. 117 00:05:58,860 --> 00:06:01,170 Um as the years have gone by as I've gotten older 118 00:06:01,170 --> 00:06:02,800 as I'm sure it does with a lot of people, 119 00:06:02,800 --> 00:06:03,250 but just 120 00:06:03,840 --> 00:06:05,460 um you know, I 121 00:06:05,940 --> 00:06:07,750 I listened to a guy give us, 122 00:06:07,920 --> 00:06:09,360 he was giving a speech 123 00:06:10,140 --> 00:06:10,950 and he had 124 00:06:11,540 --> 00:06:14,560 met up with somebody he hadn't seen in years, they had lunch 125 00:06:15,240 --> 00:06:18,450 and got back in his car afterward. 126 00:06:18,940 --> 00:06:22,860 Um they shook hands, you know, all that sort of stuff, said goodbye 127 00:06:23,340 --> 00:06:25,950 and uh we got this car and he said, 128 00:06:26,440 --> 00:06:29,440 you know, I should have told that person that I love him and that I appreciate it 129 00:06:29,890 --> 00:06:31,860 and speed went and got a card 130 00:06:32,340 --> 00:06:36,560 at the store and he wrote everything in it and sent it to that person 131 00:06:37,040 --> 00:06:37,850 and 132 00:06:38,740 --> 00:06:40,660 he said he was in a down moment 133 00:06:41,640 --> 00:06:42,660 like a week later 134 00:06:43,140 --> 00:06:44,560 and right when he was feeling a little a 135 00:06:44,570 --> 00:06:46,950 little depressed about some stuff that was going on, 136 00:06:47,440 --> 00:06:49,390 he got a text message that they had received the 137 00:06:49,390 --> 00:06:51,780 card that they loved him and stuff like that. 138 00:06:51,780 --> 00:06:52,450 So it's just about 139 00:06:53,040 --> 00:06:55,350 I think just trying to remember them too, 140 00:06:55,840 --> 00:06:57,460 especially right now in history, 141 00:06:57,840 --> 00:07:02,410 so many people are going through so many tough times, financially, you know, 142 00:07:02,410 --> 00:07:04,260 addiction, domestic abuse, 143 00:07:04,640 --> 00:07:06,950 uh suicides, sickness. 144 00:07:07,640 --> 00:07:12,160 Um you know, so many things that people are going through right now and uh 145 00:07:12,640 --> 00:07:14,860 I can't think of a more important time in history. 146 00:07:15,440 --> 00:07:19,070 -- Just let people know you care about them. You know. Gosh, -- that's so true. 147 00:07:19,080 --> 00:07:23,080 Hey man, my mentor always said, people don't care how much, you know, 148 00:07:23,080 --> 00:07:24,410 do they know how much you care? 149 00:07:24,420 --> 00:07:26,430 And I think that's a pretty important thing that you 150 00:07:26,430 --> 00:07:28,740 show that you and then you go about that. 151 00:07:28,750 --> 00:07:30,750 -- So -- yeah, like that. 152 00:07:30,860 --> 00:07:33,460 -- Thank -- you. That's good stuff. Thank you, Pat. 153 00:07:33,840 --> 00:07:35,550 I'm gonna ask you a tough one. 154 00:07:35,940 --> 00:07:38,720 Do you have a most important nuts and bolts lesson? 155 00:07:38,720 --> 00:07:41,930 You can give just something that's about leadership. 156 00:07:41,930 --> 00:07:43,650 That's just quick for everyone. 157 00:07:44,240 --> 00:07:48,000 You know, don't read your own press man, don't listen to tell you how great you are, 158 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:48,340 right? 159 00:07:48,350 --> 00:07:49,090 That is good. 160 00:07:49,100 --> 00:07:52,630 You know, the the the ego can get involved really, 161 00:07:52,630 --> 00:07:56,330 really fast and I mean I learned lessons and coaching, you know, I don't, 162 00:07:56,340 --> 00:07:59,260 I help people help you, but I do mostly law enforcement 163 00:07:59,840 --> 00:08:03,860 training now and I'll help local fighters out a little bit and fix some of the 164 00:08:04,340 --> 00:08:08,040 some of the problems with their, with their game and stuff like that. 165 00:08:08,050 --> 00:08:08,770 But for the most part, 166 00:08:09,340 --> 00:08:12,550 um, you know, you go on a run. Our team 167 00:08:13,340 --> 00:08:15,860 would go on a run and just destroy everybody from 168 00:08:16,240 --> 00:08:18,260 months and months and months and months 169 00:08:18,580 --> 00:08:22,120 and then out of the blue, you know, you take an unexpected hit. 170 00:08:22,130 --> 00:08:23,860 You know, somebody, somebody gets taken out 171 00:08:24,340 --> 00:08:25,030 sort of thing. 172 00:08:25,030 --> 00:08:30,010 And so it's just and that that was something that I always in the back of my mind, 173 00:08:30,020 --> 00:08:31,260 you know, you don't want to fear it 174 00:08:31,840 --> 00:08:35,159 because you sometimes you can make that stuff come true, you know, don't, 175 00:08:35,640 --> 00:08:36,559 you know, you tell a kid, 176 00:08:36,940 --> 00:08:40,330 um, you know, don't drop that glass of water, don't drop that glass of water. 177 00:08:40,330 --> 00:08:42,220 Don't well there it goes because you program 178 00:08:42,220 --> 00:08:45,160 their brain every time that something is just, 179 00:08:45,840 --> 00:08:47,250 you know, just just try and 180 00:08:47,740 --> 00:08:49,550 just try and be ready for the bad times. 181 00:08:49,550 --> 00:08:51,660 You know, because you know, people, 182 00:08:51,670 --> 00:08:54,750 people underneath your tutelage can screw things up. 183 00:08:54,760 --> 00:08:58,750 They can cause your problems. You know what you did happen when I was coaching, 184 00:08:59,140 --> 00:09:02,560 um, that sort of thing. You know, it's just, you know, and we all make, 185 00:09:02,940 --> 00:09:06,140 we all make mistakes. I've made, I've made plenty of mistakes over the past. 186 00:09:06,150 --> 00:09:07,760 We all have five years. 187 00:09:07,770 --> 00:09:09,470 -- We all have a -- pet for our, 188 00:09:09,480 --> 00:09:12,080 our people that listening that may not know how 189 00:09:12,080 --> 00:09:14,660 many world champions have you trained in the UFC? 190 00:09:15,440 --> 00:09:16,510 I think there were 12. 191 00:09:16,520 --> 00:09:20,750 I mean we had about 90, I think it was right around 95 televised athletes 192 00:09:21,440 --> 00:09:24,160 and 12 World Champions and two team 193 00:09:24,540 --> 00:09:26,210 two team world titles in 194 00:09:26,530 --> 00:09:28,160 the International Fight League as well. 195 00:09:29,940 --> 00:09:32,410 -- Absolutely amazing. -- It really is. 196 00:09:32,420 --> 00:09:36,540 It has a lot to do with, you know, I read every day and gable book, 197 00:09:36,550 --> 00:09:40,110 I watched a lot of Iowa wrestling when I was a little kid. 198 00:09:40,110 --> 00:09:43,760 I was in the field house with my big brother take me to Iowa wrestling meets 199 00:09:44,440 --> 00:09:47,150 and I would watch back in the day when randy Lewis and 200 00:09:47,150 --> 00:09:50,950 king Mueller and the panic brothers and all those guys were wrestling. 201 00:09:51,340 --> 00:09:51,860 Um, 202 00:09:51,870 --> 00:09:53,840 all through those years and I just went to and 203 00:09:53,840 --> 00:09:55,550 I were wrestling meet a couple of weeks ago actually, 204 00:09:55,550 --> 00:09:56,560 I was lucky enough to go. 205 00:09:57,240 --> 00:09:58,860 Um, and I just, 206 00:09:59,540 --> 00:10:01,290 in my fighting in my fight training, 207 00:10:01,290 --> 00:10:04,060 I emulated everything that gable did endurance wise. 208 00:10:04,740 --> 00:10:08,160 Um, just to do things that nobody else 209 00:10:08,540 --> 00:10:12,460 I wanted to do. Sure I had to do endurance things that 210 00:10:12,940 --> 00:10:17,870 I was thinking in my head, there's no way somebody is crazy enough to do, 211 00:10:17,880 --> 00:10:20,500 they're just not gonna do it. 212 00:10:20,510 --> 00:10:25,060 It's not, there's no way. And so I always told myself I would make my training 213 00:10:25,740 --> 00:10:28,340 far harder than any fight could ever be. 214 00:10:28,340 --> 00:10:31,450 No matter how bad that fight got that I had been much, 215 00:10:31,450 --> 00:10:35,760 much worse in my training and so that's really was 216 00:10:36,440 --> 00:10:38,060 that, that made a huge difference. 217 00:10:38,060 --> 00:10:41,960 Was just emulating the way dan gable did things, constant pressure. 218 00:10:42,540 --> 00:10:46,350 Um, no excuses back then at all. Um, 219 00:10:46,740 --> 00:10:49,980 you know, we fought with injuries, we did whatever we had to, we didn't, 220 00:10:49,990 --> 00:10:53,930 we didn't duck fights, nothing that, you know, we just did what we had to do. 221 00:10:53,940 --> 00:10:54,860 Absolutely. 222 00:10:55,540 --> 00:10:59,050 So are you in Iowa hockey fan just checking out and make sure 223 00:10:59,640 --> 00:11:03,250 you know what's funny is I posted on my facebook the other night last night. 224 00:11:03,250 --> 00:11:04,290 As a matter of fact I think it was 225 00:11:05,240 --> 00:11:05,660 no, 226 00:11:06,240 --> 00:11:08,760 Was it Saturday night Iowa played Michigan for 227 00:11:08,760 --> 00:11:10,400 the Big 10 championship in football right? 228 00:11:10,400 --> 00:11:11,460 Yeah, I watched it. 229 00:11:12,140 --> 00:11:13,990 Yeah and so michigan trounced them. 230 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:17,960 Uh they did, I was tending to going into that game, 231 00:11:18,340 --> 00:11:20,820 you know, at the beginning of its every football season, 232 00:11:20,830 --> 00:11:24,160 I'll just tell you that every football season Iowa, 233 00:11:24,170 --> 00:11:29,560 you know they get by a squeak by Iowa state and they beat you know western Illinois and 234 00:11:29,560 --> 00:11:33,890 some other team and all of a sudden this year I was ranked third in the country, 235 00:11:33,890 --> 00:11:36,960 fourth in the country or whatever, fifth and uh 236 00:11:37,140 --> 00:11:41,110 everybody is posting on facebook. Oh my God we're gonna, this is the year man 237 00:11:41,400 --> 00:11:47,200 go, it's a little early in the season to be getting excited guys. You know. 238 00:11:47,210 --> 00:11:52,680 Uh I always say every year I go, thank God that's wrestling season coming up. 239 00:11:52,690 --> 00:11:56,550 You know, you guys are playing in the bowl game this year, don't you? 240 00:11:57,340 --> 00:12:02,070 -- Who are we playing in the Ballgame Kentucky. -- Yes sir. Yeah. 241 00:12:02,080 --> 00:12:03,460 Citrusy bow. 242 00:12:03,840 --> 00:12:06,360 That should be a hell of a football game considering our state's 243 00:12:06,360 --> 00:12:08,710 really good at wrestling in your state's really good at basketball. 244 00:12:08,710 --> 00:12:10,650 That's it. There you go 245 00:12:11,040 --> 00:12:12,710 and Kentucky does great. 246 00:12:12,990 --> 00:12:16,560 -- We're -- getting better stoops who is a hot guy. 247 00:12:16,560 --> 00:12:22,120 He's done a great job, getting our team in the right place. So anyway I digress. 248 00:12:22,120 --> 00:12:26,570 Let's go back to everything. What is your main goal in coaching and mentoring. 249 00:12:26,580 --> 00:12:31,350 Hopefully, uh, hopefully improve the quality of somebody's life and give them, 250 00:12:31,640 --> 00:12:35,160 give them some, some experiences that help them get through life. 251 00:12:35,160 --> 00:12:37,510 You know, the absolutely, I think, you know, 252 00:12:37,510 --> 00:12:40,540 there's a saying that dan gable said that was, you know, 253 00:12:40,550 --> 00:12:44,960 everything after wrestling in life, everything in life after wrestling is easy 254 00:12:46,340 --> 00:12:49,460 and it really is really is comparatively. 255 00:12:49,470 --> 00:12:52,250 For the most part, everything is pretty easy minus 256 00:12:52,640 --> 00:12:54,270 deaths of loved ones and things like that. 257 00:12:54,270 --> 00:12:56,860 But when it comes to work ethic and just getting stuff done. 258 00:12:57,540 --> 00:13:01,200 Um, so, but yeah, I mean, improve people's quality of life, 259 00:13:01,210 --> 00:13:02,750 give them great memories. 260 00:13:02,760 --> 00:13:08,550 Um, you know, that, that's the sort of thing, really kind of wanted to do very good. 261 00:13:09,140 --> 00:13:10,620 Here's one that's going to happen to every 262 00:13:10,620 --> 00:13:12,380 leader and it's going to happen many times. 263 00:13:12,390 --> 00:13:14,240 What do you do with one team member that 264 00:13:14,240 --> 00:13:16,850 just has bad chemistry with the rest of the team 265 00:13:17,440 --> 00:13:18,110 generally, 266 00:13:18,110 --> 00:13:22,530 the team will take care of that when it's a fighting team in training there. 267 00:13:22,540 --> 00:13:24,250 I had a few people that were, 268 00:13:25,140 --> 00:13:28,350 that were good, but they were a problem. One guy, he was, 269 00:13:28,840 --> 00:13:29,650 he was from 270 00:13:30,440 --> 00:13:31,850 brazil 271 00:13:32,840 --> 00:13:33,860 and 272 00:13:34,540 --> 00:13:40,410 we had gotten word that he was beating his wife and uh, so he had moved, 273 00:13:40,410 --> 00:13:42,360 he had moved to better from brazil and 274 00:13:43,140 --> 00:13:46,460 I got word from the police that he was beating his wife and stuff like that. 275 00:13:47,040 --> 00:13:50,550 So I talked to some of the guys and just said, you know what's 276 00:13:51,240 --> 00:13:52,050 let's um 277 00:13:52,440 --> 00:13:54,860 even the score a little bit for his wife you 278 00:13:54,860 --> 00:13:59,060 know and so he took some pretty severe beatings and 279 00:13:59,740 --> 00:14:00,660 and left the area. 280 00:14:01,040 --> 00:14:08,030 -- Have I told you I'm scared of you yet? -- I think you have any reason. 281 00:14:08,040 --> 00:14:13,440 -- Well -- I'm rethinking telling you that whole Kentucky thing man. 282 00:14:15,190 --> 00:14:17,480 I'll tell you. Did I ever tell you the story 283 00:14:17,710 --> 00:14:18,350 about 284 00:14:18,940 --> 00:14:19,860 my my 285 00:14:20,740 --> 00:14:21,460 concrete 286 00:14:22,240 --> 00:14:25,450 uh he was actually kind of my boss but he was a finisher. 287 00:14:25,940 --> 00:14:29,520 I was a laborer at the time and this was many, 288 00:14:29,520 --> 00:14:32,930 many years ago obviously and I had grown up wrestling had done 289 00:14:32,930 --> 00:14:36,160 some boxing and stuff and he was a black belt in karate 290 00:14:36,640 --> 00:14:42,160 and you had that had that southern draw And and he said he's 291 00:14:42,940 --> 00:14:45,960 we we this is before long before the UFC of course 292 00:14:46,440 --> 00:14:50,550 -- back in the P. K. C. Kickboxing remember -- those days? Very well. 293 00:14:51,140 --> 00:14:53,370 Yeah and he says to me out of the blue, 294 00:14:53,370 --> 00:14:56,600 I can't remember how we got into conversations across the man destroy wrestling. 295 00:14:56,610 --> 00:14:59,240 Well apparently you haven't had an Iowa wrestler grab ahold of. 296 00:14:59,250 --> 00:15:01,890 Well he goes at lunch time, 297 00:15:01,890 --> 00:15:04,890 we go out there in that field right there and we can get it on. 298 00:15:04,900 --> 00:15:07,060 We can we can see what happens. And he goes, 299 00:15:07,540 --> 00:15:11,040 you know let's do you are you sure you really want to do that? 300 00:15:11,050 --> 00:15:14,890 And I was like yeah let's do it. So I just went out I didn't hurt him or anything. 301 00:15:14,890 --> 00:15:17,700 I just took him down really fast and tied him up in knots, 302 00:15:17,710 --> 00:15:22,160 kind of hold on his ears a little bit and stuff and they realized, 303 00:15:22,160 --> 00:15:27,060 and so he gave me a free week pass to go to his kickboxing, jump brody jim, 304 00:15:27,140 --> 00:15:32,010 and that's how that's how I started into the martial arts, wow, I didn't know that, 305 00:15:32,010 --> 00:15:36,160 I was about, I think I was 19 or 40th time, wow, 306 00:15:36,740 --> 00:15:39,040 that's amazing. Yeah, 307 00:15:40,520 --> 00:15:43,000 Kentucky, Kentucky can take credit for 308 00:15:43,240 --> 00:15:43,450 that. 309 00:15:43,640 --> 00:15:46,750 -- Thank -- you. Knew we had a hand in there 310 00:15:46,750 --> 00:15:47,580 somewhere. 311 00:15:47,590 --> 00:15:51,570 -- So -- here's always the phone, 312 00:15:51,570 --> 00:15:53,900 how do you admit there's a problem and then how 313 00:15:53,900 --> 00:15:57,650 do you fix it in in leadership and coaching mentoring? 314 00:15:57,740 --> 00:16:00,610 You know, when, you know there's a problem, how do you how do you admit that? 315 00:16:00,610 --> 00:16:01,550 How do you go about that? 316 00:16:02,340 --> 00:16:05,560 You know, that's a tough thing for a coach to do, Right, I mean, 317 00:16:05,570 --> 00:16:08,160 I can just tell you that, 318 00:16:08,640 --> 00:16:09,150 you know, 319 00:16:10,040 --> 00:16:11,150 um 320 00:16:13,840 --> 00:16:16,480 you know, I've had talks with athletes over numerous 321 00:16:17,040 --> 00:16:20,960 subject matter with coaching. I've had talks with other coaches when, when, 322 00:16:21,440 --> 00:16:25,160 you know, my kids, there was some real serious issues with my kids swimming 323 00:16:26,140 --> 00:16:29,840 a couple years back and they had since fixed it and my daughter went, 324 00:16:29,850 --> 00:16:31,710 my middle daughter went back out for swimming and 325 00:16:31,710 --> 00:16:33,550 had a great season with them and they did, 326 00:16:34,040 --> 00:16:38,970 they did a great job coaching and it was a very tense uh several 327 00:16:38,970 --> 00:16:42,600 meetings with them and the principal of the school and stuff like that. 328 00:16:42,610 --> 00:16:43,200 You just, 329 00:16:43,210 --> 00:16:44,840 I guess you've just got to be able to 330 00:16:44,850 --> 00:16:47,070 take criticism if you're not doing something right, 331 00:16:47,080 --> 00:16:50,650 you gotta be adult enough to accept criticism and 332 00:16:50,650 --> 00:16:52,250 you've got to be able to decipher what somebody, 333 00:16:52,250 --> 00:16:54,270 Sandia, whether it's valid, whether it's not, 334 00:16:54,840 --> 00:16:55,650 you know, for me, 335 00:16:56,540 --> 00:16:58,430 um, in training fighters, 336 00:16:58,440 --> 00:17:02,150 it was always common sense to make sure that they were obviously well rounded. 337 00:17:02,540 --> 00:17:05,770 I knew where their weaknesses were. They knew where their weaknesses were. 338 00:17:06,140 --> 00:17:08,030 You've got to be able to read personalities. 339 00:17:08,030 --> 00:17:11,109 Some people need to be yelled at, some people need to need that, 340 00:17:11,109 --> 00:17:14,740 need a hug once in a while, you know, it just depends on personalities, 341 00:17:14,740 --> 00:17:16,859 their upbringing, all that sort of stuff. 342 00:17:16,859 --> 00:17:19,220 Their childhood, what kind of childhood did they have? 343 00:17:19,230 --> 00:17:21,319 So you have to be able to read personalities. 344 00:17:21,319 --> 00:17:23,960 But I think it comes down to, you know, there 345 00:17:24,440 --> 00:17:26,660 tough, tough decisions need to be made 346 00:17:27,640 --> 00:17:31,660 and, and they suck. But there's just times, you know, I had a 347 00:17:32,140 --> 00:17:35,080 conversation with Sherman Pender Guards when he was fighting. 348 00:17:35,080 --> 00:17:38,230 He had fought in the UFC, didn't do great and he was, 349 00:17:38,240 --> 00:17:40,430 he kept fighting and I didn't want him to fight anymore. 350 00:17:40,430 --> 00:17:44,080 I brought him in my office and I said Sherman, you know, I can't coach anymore dude, 351 00:17:44,090 --> 00:17:45,610 you're gonna get hurt. 352 00:17:45,620 --> 00:17:48,550 Um you're getting hurt. I don't want to see this anymore. 353 00:17:48,550 --> 00:17:50,860 I don't see what happens down the road with your health 354 00:17:51,740 --> 00:17:52,840 because of this. 355 00:17:52,870 --> 00:17:57,170 And I said you continue to cut weight to get down to lower weight divisions. 356 00:17:57,540 --> 00:18:00,120 So to try and find a place where you're competitive and I said, 357 00:18:00,130 --> 00:18:02,270 I just don't want you to do that anymore. 358 00:18:03,040 --> 00:18:05,260 And he said, Pat, I'm not cutting weight, 359 00:18:05,940 --> 00:18:10,280 I have terminal cancer. Oh, I want to keep fighting until I die. My goodness. 360 00:18:10,840 --> 00:18:12,360 And so, you know, 361 00:18:12,740 --> 00:18:15,580 a conversation like that, I would have never found, 362 00:18:15,580 --> 00:18:18,630 he would have never told me that he had cancer 363 00:18:18,640 --> 00:18:22,550 until he went into the hospital to die otherwise, 364 00:18:23,640 --> 00:18:26,550 you know, so it's yeah, just tough conversations and stuff. 365 00:18:26,550 --> 00:18:29,960 And uh and you know, I moved away from coaching because I, 366 00:18:30,540 --> 00:18:31,050 I think 367 00:18:31,540 --> 00:18:36,660 that intense of a sport, it does do damage. You're burning the candle at both ends. 368 00:18:36,660 --> 00:18:40,370 It's that you're, you're either all in or you're getting people hurt. 369 00:18:40,380 --> 00:18:43,250 I mean, that's just the way it is. You're absolutely right. Yeah. 370 00:18:43,260 --> 00:18:46,170 So I burned the candle at both ends and 371 00:18:46,640 --> 00:18:49,170 coach very intensely and very dedicated for a 372 00:18:49,170 --> 00:18:51,990 long time doing law enforcement military training. 373 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:56,450 I was working for three television networks. I was training fighters and, 374 00:18:57,040 --> 00:18:59,920 and I had two new girls to new daughters 375 00:18:59,990 --> 00:19:02,710 and for four years I was lamenting quitting coaching, 376 00:19:02,720 --> 00:19:04,960 which I was still pretty successful obviously, but 377 00:19:05,640 --> 00:19:08,850 you know, I was going to see my kids and so yeah, I had 378 00:19:09,240 --> 00:19:11,470 a broadcast with ESPN was when I was 379 00:19:11,470 --> 00:19:15,860 doing showtime ESPN and Mark Cuban's access tv stuff 380 00:19:16,240 --> 00:19:19,660 and we're in bristol Connecticut at ESPN. Uh 381 00:19:20,040 --> 00:19:21,410 I did a show there an episode, 382 00:19:21,410 --> 00:19:23,390 it was the last episode before christmas break and 383 00:19:23,390 --> 00:19:24,860 I was going to florida with my kids, 384 00:19:25,240 --> 00:19:29,500 my wife at the time and got the car service, brian stan did the show with me, 385 00:19:29,500 --> 00:19:30,610 you know who brian stan is? 386 00:19:30,610 --> 00:19:31,450 Of course, yes, 387 00:19:31,840 --> 00:19:33,660 I've got a lot of respect for that guy. 388 00:19:33,670 --> 00:19:36,680 So we get the car and I'm on the speaker phone with my daughters and I said, 389 00:19:36,680 --> 00:19:38,230 I'm looking forward to seeing you in the morning. 390 00:19:38,240 --> 00:19:41,520 I love to make them breakfast when I get back to town, you know, all that sort of stuff. 391 00:19:41,520 --> 00:19:43,410 And I said, okay, daddy love you. And we said goodbye. 392 00:19:43,420 --> 00:19:45,770 And brian stan looked at me and he goes, that's awesome. 393 00:19:45,770 --> 00:19:47,460 He goes, I've got two daughters as well. 394 00:19:47,840 --> 00:19:48,560 And he said, 395 00:19:48,940 --> 00:19:50,770 you know, I've killed a lot of people Pat. 396 00:19:52,040 --> 00:19:54,630 And he said every time in the middle of a firefight, 397 00:19:54,630 --> 00:19:58,460 explosions going off bullets bouncing off sq and rocks around me. 398 00:19:58,940 --> 00:20:03,110 I always wondered what life was all about. What was the meaning of life. 399 00:20:03,120 --> 00:20:07,270 And he said, I finally came to the conclusion that the best thing a man can do 400 00:20:07,640 --> 00:20:11,160 this raises kids the right way to get him up on the right foot like, 401 00:20:11,160 --> 00:20:13,150 that's that's what you do. 402 00:20:13,160 --> 00:20:13,740 Absolutely. 403 00:20:14,650 --> 00:20:16,630 And it was at that moment I looked, 404 00:20:16,640 --> 00:20:18,540 I was like God talking to me because I've 405 00:20:18,540 --> 00:20:20,560 been struggling for four years over this decision. 406 00:20:21,040 --> 00:20:23,840 I was like, God spoke directly to me through brian stand. 407 00:20:23,840 --> 00:20:25,420 I looked out the window of the car service. 408 00:20:25,660 --> 00:20:26,770 I looked away from brian 409 00:20:27,140 --> 00:20:31,270 because I had tears welling up in my eyes because it was at that moment 410 00:20:31,640 --> 00:20:34,210 that I retired from fighting and I called the fighters, 411 00:20:34,220 --> 00:20:36,650 had a meeting at the gym when I got back. 412 00:20:36,660 --> 00:20:41,170 I said I'm going on a two week vacation to florida with my kids and my life 413 00:20:41,640 --> 00:20:43,260 when I get back, I'm not touching it. 414 00:20:43,740 --> 00:20:44,740 So find a new team. 415 00:20:44,980 --> 00:20:46,170 That is amazing. 416 00:20:46,740 --> 00:20:50,950 Oh, that leads really well into our last question for you to pat, 417 00:20:50,960 --> 00:20:52,860 what is your biggest praise for God? 418 00:20:53,840 --> 00:20:58,340 I tell you what my biggest place for God is that I'm still alive. 419 00:20:58,400 --> 00:21:02,460 In fact I'm still alive. I've been through a lot, I've been through a lot. 420 00:21:02,470 --> 00:21:03,660 Uh you know, 421 00:21:03,660 --> 00:21:09,940 I've had two brothers commit suicide because of uh because of abuse 422 00:21:09,940 --> 00:21:12,790 by the catholic church priests that abused them when they were little. 423 00:21:12,800 --> 00:21:15,160 They committed suicide when they were in their thirties. 424 00:21:15,170 --> 00:21:16,970 So I, you know, 425 00:21:16,970 --> 00:21:19,820 you can understand where I had a great 426 00:21:19,820 --> 00:21:22,450 deal of resentment and hatred towards organized religion, 427 00:21:22,460 --> 00:21:23,640 right? 428 00:21:23,650 --> 00:21:24,980 And through, 429 00:21:24,990 --> 00:21:28,670 through all of this stuff and through the hardships ships that I've been through and 430 00:21:29,240 --> 00:21:32,560 some by my own making some, some just out of my control 431 00:21:32,940 --> 00:21:36,060 um that I've just I've come to the point where 432 00:21:36,440 --> 00:21:38,110 I just know jesus was real. 433 00:21:38,120 --> 00:21:43,430 I know he was who he said he was and I know this, he was, he guys think about this. 434 00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:45,460 He was the first conspiracy theorist. 435 00:21:45,840 --> 00:21:48,210 He was yes, 436 00:21:49,300 --> 00:21:53,850 right. Love it. He was anti religion. 437 00:21:54,340 --> 00:21:59,150 He turned over tables in the temple, he chased them out with tax collectors, 438 00:21:59,160 --> 00:22:01,210 you know, and they killed him for it. 439 00:22:01,220 --> 00:22:05,050 And you know, and I'm, I'm sitting here. Why was I given the gift 440 00:22:06,340 --> 00:22:09,350 to see everything that's happening and everything that's happened. 441 00:22:09,360 --> 00:22:13,160 I knew it was coming long before it happened. People wouldn't listen to me. 442 00:22:13,160 --> 00:22:14,460 People think I'm crazy, 443 00:22:14,840 --> 00:22:15,940 you know, all kinds of stuff. 444 00:22:15,940 --> 00:22:18,950 I mean the things that I talk about, I tell them what's comin, 445 00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:21,670 I've told people was coming for years and I told him when it would start. 446 00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:25,380 Yeah, they still call me crazy. Absolutely right. 447 00:22:25,710 --> 00:22:25,740 I 448 00:22:25,870 --> 00:22:28,300 -- love -- It. 449 00:22:29,230 --> 00:22:32,560 well, Pat, that's all we've got. I appreciate you so much for taking time. 450 00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:36,160 I know how busy you are. But this has been wonderful. I really enjoyed it. 451 00:22:36,170 --> 00:22:41,170 -- It's been amazing. Thank you pat. -- Yeah, merry christmas, 452 00:22:43,340 --> 00:22:46,920 this is an lbs production which stands for pounds. 453 00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:47,970 I don't know if you knew that or not. 454 00:22:47,970 --> 00:22:53,160 But it also stands for laughing because we're saved, but we kind of like the pounds. 455 00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:58,320 So um, chris will lift them and I will gain them and we will have a great time. 456 00:22:58,320 --> 00:22:59,170 Thanks for listening. 457 00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:00,360 Mm hmm